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I had to travel to Swindon and back over the weekend, so got up at 2:30AM and had a brilliant drive down - zero traffic = v good progress ;) - and was back home in Newark by about 9:30 am same day.

When I was about half a mile from home, my oil warning light flashed a couple of times, went solid for about a second, and then went off and stayed off. :shock:

Hmmm, ... so when I got home I checked the oil, and you could see just a smidgin right at the bottom of the loooong R3 dipstick.

Poured some fresh oil in and watched it fall onto the ground.

Then I noticed oil was sprayed all over the passenger side front wheel, and then all down that side of the car, and the rear bumper (thank heavens for Paintshield!).

I was able to get the AA out on Monday with a trailer suitable for looow cars, and they were brilliant. Really careful and considerate of the car.

They weren’t however keen to take it to Batley, so got it in at my local Mazda dealer in Boston, who have always been excellent.

They phoned back this morning ... corroded oil filter lines. The first they’d seen on an R3.

They hope to have it back and running in a few days time.

So whilst I’ll be somewhat poorer after this, at least I dodged the grenade of the last bit of oil spitting out the car when I was wanging along on the A46, which could have been very expensive news indeed. #-o

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You were indeed very lucky Rod,that could have been a whole lot worse :shock: Mine went a few years back so I replaced them,it happens.

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Hi Ian,

I think I really was! 🤔

I would have done the RB ones if I could have got to RR, but seems not so much of an option at a main dealer.

Still, and to be fair I guess, they’ve lasted 10 years so if a new set do the same I suppose I can’t complain too much?

It could have been so much worse if it had happened literally just 5 minutes earlier.
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RX8R3Rod wrote:
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They phoned back this morning ... corroded oil filter lines. The first they’d seen on an R3.
Did you mean oil cooler lines Rod :?:

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You still had to go to Swindon, so despite some mild luck it was overall a crappy day
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I would advise that once you get it back, you revive the wheel arch liner at the front and cover the new lines with waxoyl or similar (even grease) to help protect them going forwards
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Can I clarify the waxoiling of the oil lines, whilst I like things new and shiny if the outer stainless steel mesh is not a factor, more than happy to cover mine in liberal quantities
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If you have stainless braided hoses they wouldn't need waxoyl (with maybe the exception of the end fittings depending on what they are made of) I'm more referring to new oem hoses.
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Doh! #-o And double Doh! #-o #-o

Thanks for clarifying Mark. 👍🏻 I must say / repeat that version of the MX5 you have is a real peach, isn’t it?

Also top suggestion thanks Paul re the Waxoyl... one can (almost) never have too much IMHO 😁
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RX8R3Rod wrote:
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They phoned back this morning ... corroded oil filter lines. The first they’d seen on an R3.
Mine went earlier this year and were replaced by Luke Murdoch...
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I remember when mine went a few years ago. I went to a kart race first thing in the morning in Chatham and on the way everytime I braked the car pulled to one side. I thought that's weird but I just thought I'd make it to the race and investigate after. On the way home I did some more brake tests and it kept pulling. So I started to pull in to some services near gravesend to see what was going on and as I went down the slip road, a load of lights suddenly went up on the dashboard but I managed to park up almost immediately after.

I was glad of my roadside assistance that day but I remember that it was a very long day as I went through 3 hops on transporter trucks, and finally got home. And then the next day another transporter to get the car to Mazda, where they told me it was the oil cooler lines. I guess the brakes pulling were oil on the disc one side or something.

Never thought about more about it, until you mentioned it RX8R3Rod, and you're right it could have been very bad!!. Very "Final Destination" and I hope there isn't a calamity waiting for me somewhere in the future.....

Wish i'd got in on that group buy now on the braided lines.... #-o
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I was able to get the AA out on Monday with a trailer suitable for looow cars, and they were brilliant. Really careful and considerate of the car.

They weren’t however keen to take it to Batley, so got it in at my local Mazda dealer in Boston, who have always been excellent.


TheAA don’t have trailers so suspect it was a garage agent.
Hence why they didn’t want to take you to Batley

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My oil cooler line went in 2018. First I noticed was a plume of smoke out the side of the drivers side wheel arch. Some oil had touched the exhaust. I was very close to home fortunately so got back with still a good amount of oil in there but it did proceed to dump the rest of the oil from the system overnight. I put the RB lines on there and have not had an issue since. Note the R3 has different fittings on the oil coolers so an S1 kit won’t fit it.
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Any suggestions for replacement lines for an R3, may do mine as a precaution. The RRP (S1) ones look great - but only for an S! :(
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I think the only options are oem or racing beat, unfortunately the end fittings are very specific to the r3
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Mine went back in January, and through some research, help from various folk on here (Dave included), I changed them myself.

Nothing too spectacular about that, but I did manage to change the nearside front sections with S1 pipes. They fit just fine, though I've not had the car running since, some issue with starting for some reason, was perfectly fine beforehand. Still not sorted it out yet, combination of pandemics and it's consequences..

I'll need to confirm that they work without any issue before suggesting anyone takes the same route, but the S1 pipes are virtually half the price of the S2 ones. I have lots of info on this topic. :lol:
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This thread has made me paranoid to check my oil cooler lines, especially ahead of my R3’s first track appearance this Tuesday. I’ve been reading through the S1 oil cooler line group buy thread, including the installation post and Dave’s response to the question “How I can find out if mine need changing?”.

In Dave’s post, it sounds like all S1 owners should change their lines asap, but that this is a less definitive necessity for R3 owners. And, although it’s obviously cheaper than a rebuild (following a oil line failure), I would rather not shell out £600 atm for the Racing Beat kit unless it’s really needed.

I think this Essex Rotary video is implying that a (the?) common failure point is the metal connections behind the front wheel arches, especially the lower one. This is presumably from salty road spray working its way through the liner from the wheels:



Is my above assumption correct, or are all the OEM metal oil plumbing connections equally as prone to failure? I’m not going have heaps of time to dismantle stuff ahead of Tuesday, so hoping for the former [-o<.

I haven’t noticed any signs of leaking oil and oil consumption is as you would expect for an RX-8. However, if there are signs of a leak or worrying levels of corrosion, I’ll have to miss the track day and start planning for what looks to be a fairly time-consuming install.
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my s1 (2005) lines must be the last ones in the country with no rust and are in fact in excellent condition :)
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I swapped my series 1 oil lines earlier this year after the club group buy, I hadn't noticed any oil leak, but when changing I found the upper of the 2 lines was damp with oil, although not dripping. These had been swapped under the mazda recall in 2008 not long after I purchased the car. For the time it takes to move the front section of the arch liner out of the way I would strongly recommend looking and if found to be serviceable a coating of waxoyl or even grease to help them last longer
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R1DSO wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:20 am
This thread has made me paranoid to check my oil cooler lines, especially ahead of my R3’s first track appearance this Tuesday. I’ve been reading through the S1 oil cooler line group buy thread, including the installation post and Dave’s response to the question “How I can find out if mine need changing?”.

In Dave’s post, it sounds like all S1 owners should change their lines asap, but that this is a less definitive necessity for R3 owners. And, although it’s obviously cheaper than a rebuild (following a oil line failure), I would rather not shell out £600 atm for the Racing Beat kit unless it’s really needed.

I think this Essex Rotary video is implying that a (the?) common failure point is the metal connections behind the front wheel arches, especially the lower one. This is presumably from salty road spray working its way through the liner from the wheels:



Is my above assumption correct, or are all the OEM metal oil plumbing connections equally as prone to failure? I’m not going have heaps of time to dismantle stuff ahead of Tuesday, so hoping for the former [-o<.

I haven’t noticed any signs of leaking oil and oil consumption is as you would expect for an RX-8. However, if there are signs of a leak or worrying levels of corrosion, I’ll have to miss the track day and start planning for what looks to be a fairly time-consuming install.
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PaulAV wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:46 am
I swapped my series 1 oil lines earlier this year after the club group buy, I hadn't noticed any oil leak, but when changing I found the upper of the 2 lines was damp with oil, although not dripping. These had been swapped under the mazda recall in 2008 not long after I purchased the car. For the time it takes to move the front section of the arch liner out of the way I would strongly recommend looking and if found to be serviceable a coating of waxoyl or even grease to help them last longer
Thanks Paul. I’ll definitely do this before hitting the track. I don’t have any Waxoyl, but I do have a pot of Castrol grease. The only down side of this is that I guess a future oil leak might be harder to spot if the lines have grease on them.
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delta0 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:50 pm
Mine failed on the drivers side connector on the line that connects the two radiators together.
Good to know, thanks :thumleft:. Out of interest, what (if anything) needs to be removed to get a clear view of this failure point?
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R1DSO wrote:
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PaulAV wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:46 am
I swapped my series 1 oil lines earlier this year after the club group buy, I hadn't noticed any oil leak, but when changing I found the upper of the 2 lines was damp with oil, although not dripping. These had been swapped under the mazda recall in 2008 not long after I purchased the car. For the time it takes to move the front section of the arch liner out of the way I would strongly recommend looking and if found to be serviceable a coating of waxoyl or even grease to help them last longer
Thanks Paul. I’ll definitely do this before hitting the track. I don’t have any Waxoyl, but I do have a pot of Castrol grease. The only down side of this is that I guess a future oil leak might be harder to spot if the lines have grease on them.
That is true, but the chances of them rusting is also less, you could use hamerite or similar on them, it's just easier to apply a coat of grease or waxoyl, no real prep required.
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