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Re: Child Seat

Post by v-rex » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Thanks, I kind of knew about the bar arm to the floor, as that's how my isofix seats worked, but not about the top tether. I will read up on top tether and isofix and then update the FAQ where I can.

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Re: Child Seat

Post by New Duke » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:50 pm

That's why Recaro (see I'm obsessed) named their ISOFIX seats 'SEATFIX'. They made it clear in the manual that isofix on it's own is mainly for keeping the seat planted in normal use and shouldn't be counted on to keep child seats secure in an accident. That's the job of the seatbelt.

It's a small print kind of detail. I'm the kind of nerd that reads and memorises every instruction manual. Whether the working of isofix belongs in the faq is down to you ;)

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Re: Child Seat

Post by bigpete8 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:07 pm

Having used both types of fastenings I can confirm that isofix with a top tether gives a much more secure fastening than the seatbelt . With regards to how much you can move the seat... But not sure how that translates in the event of an accident.

We use a couple of britax duo?.? seats that allow either and I always much preferred it fastened via isofix. (With the tether)
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Re: Child Seat

Post by v-rex » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:39 pm

The tether thing and seatbelt thing from what I can see are two different things. I'll explain and maybe I should put something on the FAQ now.

For a group 0/0+/1 chair which can be forward or rear facing which is truly using the ISOFIX you need 3 points of anchorage to stop the seat moving in all planes. So you have two ISOFIX clips which stop the seat moving forwards or backwards, and side to side, but you still need one more point on anchorage to stop the seat moving up and down ( in a rotational way if that make sense ). In the two seats I've had it's been a support bar which extends to the floor, but an alternate is the top tether which does the same thing. The bar is a little easier to set up I think, whereas the top tether provides a bit more room to put the seat back and if another child wants to pass through the footwell to their seat. You can also put the seat in using the seatbelt and then you use non of the ISOFIX bits at all, you just pass the belt through the harnesses described by the seats manual, and the seatbelt holds the seat in place, but I agree for ease of use the ISOFIX wins hands down for me. Sometimes you don't always have a choice, if for some reason, you go abroad or something and need it for a taxi, so always useful knowing the seatbelt version.

Once you get to group 2-3, then it's the seatbelt doing the whole job. The ISOFIX clips are merely there to keep the seat stable when there is no one sitting there. I think you aren't even allowed to call it ISOFIX anymore as you need 3 points of anchorage for the full system. So I think this is what you mean by the SEATFIX system New Duke which I think you have in your Monza Nova 2 ? I have a similar thing with my Cybex Z-FIX. The ISOFIX clips do nothing other than keep the seat in place, the seatbelt has to be on properly for the seat to work.

I was trying to look for car seats that would fit an RX8 that use top tether, as I nor any of my NCT friends (non RX8) have used a seat that uses them. Thanks for the seat recommendation BigPete8. I will see if I can add in something to the FAQ that makes more sense than this post !!
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Re: Child Seat

Post by v-rex » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:53 am

Ok FAQ post edited on this forum, and just working with warpc0il to meld the changes into the official FAQ.
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Re: Child Seat

Post by Davemitch » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:35 pm

v-rex wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:53 am
Ok FAQ post edited on this forum, and just working with warpc0il to meld the changes into the official FAQ.
Superb effort v-rex and greatly appreciated :thumleft:
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Re: Child Seat

Post by warpc0il » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:21 am

From what I've read elsewhere, Shoft works really well with (nearly*) all baby seats, booster seats and kids in the car.
https://shoft.co.uk
See viewtopic.php?f=31&t=81507 for my product review and note that there is no modification required to fit to the rear seatbelts in the RX-8 (or any other car to my knowledge).
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It is a one-piece construction with no moving parts to trap fingers, all as soft as a dogs chew toy and has anti-microbial and anti-viral embedded in the material.

It helps keep the lap section of the belt tight, holding the seat and child safe in the correct position, even if they wriggle.
Once fitted to the seatbelt tongue, which takes seconds, it doesn't make fitting or removing the seat any more complicated than before.
It's easier to find, grab and hold the tongue with the Shoft in place, which makes it easier for you fitting the seat, for older children to buckle themselves in. The bright orange version (also available in black) is far better for you to glance round and see that they are buckled-up before you drive off.

As the kids get older it may also help keep muddy feet off the back of the front seats, but I can't guarantee that ;)

Take advantage of our new group buy to purchase

*There must be something solid for the lower section of the belt to be pushed against the pad to grip, as it would if it was against your hip when seated.

Just take a look at your seat fitted and it should be obvious what I'm trying to explain here.


Updated to clarify seat compatibility requirements
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Re: Child Seat

Post by warpc0il » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:32 am

Update: The Group Buy is now open
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