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Thought they used finger paints?!?
What is the difference between series 1 and R3 front suspension just out of curiosity
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The front hubs are a different design, which means the lower arms are different too.
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Right, glad I have a series 1, hopefully everything's still OK, mot runs out in 8 days
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Well I've emailed Gateshead Mazda and sent them the EPC number for the lower arm bushes and asked why these cant be replaced instead of the whole arm. I'll let you know the response....

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Dealers of any OEM on “may” only fit parts that are supplied by the OEM (cough) but they “can” and indeed do use on occasion aftermarket parts where those parts are from a supplier that supplies the same parts as OE to Mazda.
It’s a complex game parts supply and when in the motor parts factor business I supplied parts regularly to OEM dealers, I would add this was over 30 years ago and logistic now mean OEMs deliver daily to their dealers unlike the weekly or even monthly stock deliveries back in the day!
The above is a long way of saying the dealer will not fit loose bushes that are not OEM supply.
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ChrisHolmes wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:17 pm
Dealers of any OEM on “may” only fit parts that are supplied by the OEM (cough) but they “can” and indeed do use on occasion aftermarket parts where those parts are from a supplier that supplies the same parts as OE to Mazda.
It’s a complex game parts supply and when in the motor parts factor business I supplied parts regularly to OEM dealers, I would add this was over 30 years ago and logistic now mean OEMs deliver daily to their dealers unlike the weekly or even monthly stock deliveries back in the day!
The above is a long way of saying the dealer will not fit loose bushes that are not OEM supply.
But they are OEM supply if they’re form the Mazda EPC..?
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I think someone might be confusing EPC (Mazda Electronic Parts Catalogue) with ECP (Euro Car Parts)

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Is there a poly Bush available for the RX8 S1 and R3.

https://www.powerflex.co.uk/products/RX ... 318/1.html

You will need to check the original part numbers on the Mazda bushes to make sure they are the same.

Jap Speed bottom arms.

https://www.japspeed.co.uk/vehicle/mazd ... ension-arm
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Went back down today and they said “yes the bushes are available but they’ve seen mechanics take hours and hours trying to fit them so they say it’s easier to replace the whole arm”

Also, when I returned I found that the car is now leaking oil...
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30 minutes max to change each Bush
Providing them come out easy
That 2 hours at the dealer rate
Not really much difference in price.

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On top of price to remove and fit arms.
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They’re already charging a couple of hours the replace the arms anyway.

Re the oil leak that’s now appeared they’ve said “it’s a coincidence, an MOT is a visual inspection only”
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Oil leak from sump advisory
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Crikey that's a lot of oil if that's just one day. I'd hope it's not and just hadn't been noticed before.

Sorry if this is obvious, but be sure to watch your oil level like a frakking hawk until it's fixed.

If only RRP's new billet sump was R3 compatible. :(


EDIT: I like how their reasoning for replacing the whole arm is that their mechanics suck. Gotta laugh.
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New Duke wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:29 pm
Crikey that's a lot of oil if that's just one day. I'd hope it's not and just hadn't been noticed before.

Sorry if this is obvious, but be sure to watch your oil level like a frakking hawk until it's fixed.

If only RRP's new billet sump was R3 compatible. :(


EDIT: I like how their reasoning for replacing the whole arm is that their mechanics suck. Gotta laugh.
Maybe an interim solution for the R3's would be a billet bottom section (as the original is Steel), we can provide a reconditioned sump with billet bottom section on an exchange basis, if the numbers were right we could make this happen.
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It definitely wasn’t there before :?

Going to have to go down to RR next couple of days and remortgage my house :lol:
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If RR can't do the work quickly (they have been known to be slow) then it could be well worth making the trip to bigpete near Boston or RRP in Rugby.

They're both specialists that will care about you and worth the drive time.

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Maybe an interim solution for the R3's would be a billet bottom section (as the original is Steel), we can provide a reconditioned sump with billet bottom section on an exchange basis, if the numbers were right we could make this happen.
Might be worth a thread to gauge interest, like with the indicators.
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I do find RR are usually slow to even get back to me/not at all if I ask for quotes on work but Rugby is bloody far from Newcastle (where I’m currently living) and chances are it’ll need leaving a day or two
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Alexpb2401 wrote:
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Went back down today and they said “yes the bushes are available but they’ve seen mechanics take hours and hours trying to fit them so they say it’s easier to replace the whole arm”
The dealer probably doesn't want the work, which is why they're giving you an outrageous estimate.
They would much rather do warranty jobs on nearly new cars that don't have rusty bolts underneath, that could turn into a nightmare if they get too hamfisted. [-X
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seeing as the MOT advises on the rear bushes as well, is it worth poly bushing the whole thing or still replacing the arms? Are poly bushes less labour intensive than the Mazda ones?
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A Mazda dealer won't fit polybushes and I would advise against it anyway
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Don’t forget the two days just to get the bottom arm bolts out!
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Rotary Revs had a look over it today.

Bushings and arms are absolutely fine, not even an advisory, never mind a fail.

New oil sump for the leak and that’s it

I’ll be writing to Mazda and looking to claim the MOT fee back through credit card company
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That is good news


Appeal straight to VOSA.
This way it stays on the garage record.
They will also get frequent random checks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... out-an-mot
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if im honest, thats exactly what i was expecting....
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Picked up from Rotary Revs Today. New Oil sump and Oil filter with 60 point inspection (recommended replacement drop links in future but fine for now). Took to 'Jed's Garage' around the corner on RR recommendation and sailed through the MOT. No mention of bushes or suspension arms.

The guys at Rotary Revs have been superb, provided me with pics of the bushes to complain to Mazda and kept me updated!

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