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Post by Ninja_Freak » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:01 am

Not for me thanks Chris. I need to be home at a reasonable time Friday eve.
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Post by mi60o0 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:15 am

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Not for me thanks Chris. I need to be home at a reasonable time Friday eve.
As I understand mby I'm wrong but dinner is the night before the drive. So Friday you will be home traffic dependent
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:40 am

Your correct Mihail, the dinner is on the Thursday night and I have just had confirmation of the table booking for 10 people at 8pm. More can be accomodated if necessary.
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:50 am

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Not for me thanks Chris. I need to be home at a reasonable time Friday eve.
On the basis that you are staying at the Black Horse on Thursday 4th I have assumed you will be joining the dinner.
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Not for me thanks Chris. I need to be home at a reasonable time Friday eve.
On the basis that you are staying at the Black Horse on Thursday 4th I have assumed you will be joining the dinner.
Sorry. My bad. I'm defo coming Thursday.
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:10 pm

Is anyone taking a low, very low, profile Trolly Jack to this event. I have one but the 2 tonne label refers to its weight!
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Post by warpc0il » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:18 pm

If only there were such things as electric scissor jacks, they'd be ideal for that car ;)
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Post by mi60o0 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:43 pm

I have Halfords low proffile but isn't the lowest would fit for the diff from your rear or the rear is to low to?
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Post by boosted » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:49 pm

Take 3 bits of decking wood...screw then together like stairs...drive up..slide normal trolley jack under.

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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:53 pm

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If only there were such things as electric scissor jacks, they'd be ideal for that car ;)
You have seen the photos too! One came with the car but it stripped it's gears the second time I used it! I have two 50mm run up blocks and a low profile jack which is ideal for the front cross member and jacking on the diff but it's steel and weighs a ton so ideally I don't want to bring it!
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:54 pm

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Take 3 bits of decking wood...screw then together like stairs...drive up..slide normal trolley jack under.

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That's fine if you have some decking planks left over, which I haven't! But I do have two scaffold plank cut offs from Dave 2112.
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:59 pm

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I have Halfords low proffile but isn't the lowest would fit for the diff from your rear or the rear is to low to?
I can get the Jack in from the rear corners onto the suspension chassis bracket but not onto the diff but it still lifts both sides.
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Post by mi60o0 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:31 pm

ChrisHolmes wrote:
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I have Halfords low proffile but isn't the lowest would fit for the diff from your rear or the rear is to low to?
I can get the Jack in from the rear corners onto the suspension chassis bracket but not onto the diff but it still lifts both sides.
Will send you a pic of the jack if you are happy I will chack it in the boot for you.
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:05 pm

It's ok Mihail I will heave mine in I was just being lazy and feeble!
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Post by Rutz » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:00 pm

Now Chris has arranged the Thursday night meal is anyone up for a post-trackday meal on the Friday? I'm stopping Thurs & Fri so will be partaking both nights.
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Great idea Victoria then hopefully we can miss the worst of the Friday night traffic.
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Post by cib24 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:14 am

One week until the event! Who else is excited?

I will bring my timing gear and GoPro and I hope others do some recording on the day as well. There will be a small Youtuber there who owns the track day company and he hasn't reviewed a RX-8 yet so if you are willing to allow him to drive one on the circuit for some impressions your car may become slightly famous.

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Post by MightyCondor » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:26 am

cib24 wrote:One week until the event! Who else is excited?

I will bring my timing gear and GoPro and I hope others do some recording on the day as well. There will be a small Youtuber there who owns the track day company and he hasn't reviewed a RX-8 yet so if you are willing to allow him to drive one on the circuit for some impressions your car may become slightly famous.
I nominate Carl's (RRP) car for this. Got to be one of the best around. Although maybe he should also try another one to get the normal n/a experience. ..

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Post by mi60o0 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:31 am

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Post by ChrisHolmes » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:24 pm

Its still touch and go whether I will get there in my 8. Spent today refitting the VFAD duct complete with a 150cfm fan to direct ambient are onto the air filter when the car is stationary. Also sealed along the top of the radiator with foam to reduce the hot air going into the top of the engine bay.
Wired in a switch so the fan can be switched off once the car is moving and back on if in slow moving traffic or stationary or hopefully on a dyno on Thursday!
For a while now I have been looking at the charge cooler and thinking "cold into top and hot out of the bottom" which is how it was piped seems wrong as the coolant will go into the top and out of the bottom at the same rate so the cooler may never fill up. So after studying the Pettit manual my suspicions were confirmed the correct way is "out of the top (rear) and into the bottom (front)
Re routed the piping using what I have lying around so its not the neatest and prettiest but functional will do for now to keep me going.
Now all that is between me and Blyton Park is the small matter of getting the engine mapped!
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Post by mi60o0 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:27 pm

Hope all will be okay
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Post by Eddie_r32 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:34 am

Spoken to the organiser James and I will be coming up to this, I will have the car on a trailer so will load my truck up with tools, jacks etc
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Post by ChrisHolmes » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:08 am

I just spoke with James regarding whether and documentation, joining instructions etc: would be coming out this week and he said just bring your photocard driving licence on the day and the indemnity forms etc: will be sorted on the day at the venue.
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Post by Ryan Rotary Performance » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:24 am

ChrisHolmes wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:24 pm
Its still touch and go whether I will get there in my 8. Spent today refitting the VFAD duct complete with a 150cfm fan to direct ambient are onto the air filter when the car is stationary. Also sealed along the top of the radiator with foam to reduce the hot air going into the top of the engine bay.
Wired in a switch so the fan can be switched off once the car is moving and back on if in slow moving traffic or stationary or hopefully on a dyno on Thursday!
For a while now I have been looking at the charge cooler and thinking "cold into top and hot out of the bottom" which is how it was piped seems wrong as the coolant will go into the top and out of the bottom at the same rate so the cooler may never fill up. So after studying the Pettit manual my suspicions were confirmed the correct way is "out of the top (rear) and into the bottom (front)
Re routed the piping using what I have lying around so its not the neatest and prettiest but functional will do for now to keep me going.
Now all that is between me and Blyton Park is the small matter of getting the engine mapped!
Are you boosting with the standard pulley? if so you should be fine on track even with the cone filter in the engine bay, I think its meant to be cooler on Friday too which helps a little

A Racing beat scoop would be good to fit, I wouldn't worry about the fan etc at ilde.

I happy for you to send me a log so I can have a look and say whether all is ok or not. Mine is also only about 80%-90% mapped but it'll be "ok". :)

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Post by Ryan Rotary Performance » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:26 am

ChrisHolmes wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:08 am
I just spoke with James regarding whether and documentation, joining instructions etc: would be coming out this week and he said just bring your photocard driving licence on the day and the indemnity forms etc: will be sorted on the day at the venue.

So we need to paperwork to get in? just a driving license?

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