R3 Oil Filter Alternatives?

[HarSc]

Does anyone have experience with a BluePrint S2 filter? Seems to tot up with the OEM number of N3R1-14-302 which is the S2 original filter, but all comparison/model tables list it as a filter for 03-12, which it's gotta be either one or the other hasn't it?

Needing some more filters and was tempted to go another route - as my Mazda dealer seems to be charging even more for the normal stock filters

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[Lemon]

i've always used Blueprint ones myself (however revs sent me a K&N in my last order of service parts) and had no issues (this is on an S1 though)

[DrewR3]

i've always used Blueprint ones myself (however revs sent me a K&N in my last order of service parts) and had no issues (this is on an S1 though)

I believe the K+N one is designed for the S1 though isnt it? I just buy the Mazda ones Harry. Try using a different dealer.

[Lemon]

i've always used Blueprint ones myself (however revs sent me a K&N in my last order of service parts) and had no issues (this is on an S1 though)

I believe the K+N one is designed for the S1 though isnt it? I just buy the Mazda ones Harry. Try using a different dealer.

yeah, they just sent me one mistakenly (i guess), i was more pointing out that i've had no issues with the Blueprint filters.

[Leck3000]

I use the K&N HP1010 with the 1" hex on it. I find the location and step under the R3 filter a nightmare and so much easier being able to use a spanner on it.

If your interested I can sort them out as I deal with K&N direct.

[HarSc]

Yeah - my normal thought pattern has always been to just buy the proper Mazda ones, but they're wanting near £15 each after they've added VAT and all that, plus I've gotta drive across town for them. Just takes the cake a bit when I can grab these for a fiver posted...

As long as the bypass thingy is the same as the S2 rating, even if I were to change them twice as often just for the sake of it, it's still a win money-wise

[Milos_Balunovic]

any filter will do the job as long its appropriate particle size filtration (has to do with oil type defined for the engine, where one cant use low sapc oil filter on mineral grade oil as particle size is just to big, but pretty much only oem filters are so fine for DPF cars, al the rest are not)

The thing Mazda changed was bypass pressure. that should only effect the operation when the filter is dirty and there is to much restriction on the filtering element creating to much differential pressure in the filter thus making the bypass valve open up.

[HarSc]

I use the K&N HP1010 with the 1" hex on it. I find the location and step under the R3 filter a nightmare and so much easier being able to use a spanner on it.

If your interested I can sort them out as I deal with K&N direct.

Hmm... Tbf I've never had an issue on the filter location or getting it off. I've got a little ratchet strap tool, strap goes round the filter and a 1/2 drive ratchet goes into a metal cylinder that the strap runs through a little slot in. Couple of turns on the ratchet and it's cracked it off to undo by hand

Not sure what the cost is on those filters, but at this point I'm aiming for something cheap that just works

Partly just don't wanna go to Mazda anymore unless I can really help it. After they quoted me £31.50 ex VAT just for a 5L of coolant when I had it waaay cheaper not long ago, it's getting on my nerves

[Leck3000]

I use the K&N HP1010 with the 1" hex on it. I find the location and step under the R3 filter a nightmare and so much easier being able to use a spanner on it.

If your interested I can sort them out as I deal with K&N direct.

Hmm... Tbf I've never had an issue on the filter location or getting it off. I've got a little ratchet strap tool, strap goes round the filter and a 1/2 drive ratchet goes into a metal cylinder that the strap runs through a little slot in. Couple of turns on the ratchet and it's cracked it off to undo by hand

Not sure what the cost is on those filters, but at this point I'm aiming for something cheap that just works

Partly just don't wanna go to Mazda anymore unless I can really help it. After they quoted me £31.50 ex VAT just for a 5L of coolant when I had it waaay cheaper not long ago, it's getting on my nerves

Yeah I have a chain tool but that doesn't fit. Having weekly K&N deliveries and the usefulness of the hex it was an easy swap for me.

Your looking about £11 delivered btw

[qwakers]

The three legged type tool works well on everything where access is from above and not a side.

[Milos_Balunovic]

The thing Mazda changed was bypass pressure. that should only effect the operation when the filter is dirty and there is to much restriction on the filtering element creating to much differential pressure in the filter thus making the bypass valve open up.

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[Clive]

The R3 filter is indeed different and taller.
On this link we offer both Series 1 and R3 Blue Print filters

https://www.racingbeateurope.com/mazda- ... -917-p.asp

[Milos_Balunovic]

Blue Print used to be synonymous with cheap aftermarket replacement parts, sourced from various places with inconsistent quality.

However, since being brought into the Bilstein Group their quality has risen significantly and the first area to benefit was filters; both air and oil, plus cabin, fuel etc. Which I'd be more than happy to recommend.

For the 8 I still wouldn't trust their replacement clutches, as I've seen too many fail and, while they do (sometimes) honour their 3-year warranty, that only covers the parts not the labour.

Oh, and don't get me started on their "OEM-style" ignition coils

[Milos_Balunovic]

The thing Mazda changed was bypass pressure. that should only effect the operation when the filter is dirty and there is to much restriction on the filtering element creating to much differential pressure in the filter thus making the bypass valve open up.

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So we agree on the important part. As long as you follow the community recommend oil change interval the filter choice wont matter

[Lemon]

The thing Mazda changed was bypass pressure. that should only effect the operation when the filter is dirty and there is to much restriction on the filtering element creating to much differential pressure in the filter thus making the bypass valve open up.

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So we agree on the important part. As long as you follow the community recommend oil change interval the filter choice wont matter

sweet, next oil change i'm banging out the coffee filters.

[Delanor]

I found a lot of parts suppliers only list one oil filter for both cars, Eurocarparts being one of them - a Mazda dealer fitted the R3 filter on my 40th.

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[Milos_Balunovic]

Funny thing is, you might run without a filter as long as you dont have excessive engine wear occurring and your not lugging the engine (high load/low rpm).
The oil has more than Sufficient capacity (with different aditives) to either keep the dirt suspended if they are light particles, or separated at the bottom of the oil pan that filter is not able to filter out anyway and won't harm the engine

Filters are here to catch the od big particle and start separating when the suspended particles grow in size, or oil aditives (detergents in particular) are used up and cannot take any more.

@Delanor, r3 is the "better" variant of the two, if for nothing else for bigger surface area/less restriction

[WildMan10]

At £15 for the Mazda filter IMO using a cheaper version is false economy, particularly as the oil coolers mean there’s always a significant proportion of old oil left in. Even at twice the price of an aftermarket one the difference is little more than a week’s road tax. Personally I wouldn’t use an S1 filter but can’t see any great issues over their smaller filter area and lower relief pressure.

I bought a big batch a while back so that I didn’t have to muck around buying one every time (6 monthly changes until lockdown, annual for the last 2 years, possibly going back to 6 monthly). Whilst my main motivation was to ensure a supply I also value not needing to plan ahead.

I have no problem getting the filters on and off. I use an oil filter socket, cheaply available on eBay; my drive wrench and torque wrenches fit on easily enough and I leave it on between changes with no issues.

[Delanor]

@Delanor, r3 is the "better" variant of the two, if for nothing else for bigger surface area/less restriction

I actually have built a collection of both now.

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[Milos_Balunovic]

I ise these (mine is not an s2/r3 but still regularly seas 8 bar oil pressure at folter location)

IMHO, much more important is the non return valve in them, as if that is leaking, a significant volume of oil is drained and make the engine run dry for a moment

KNECHT OC196 / MAHLE OC196 (same unit depending what you get in the box of either of em)
PURFLUX LS225 or Fram PH5317
They are all from same group and feature the corugated filter...

[rx8hunter]

I use the K&N HP1010 with the 1" hex on it. I find the location and step under the R3 filter a nightmare and so much easier being able to use a spanner on it.

If your interested I can sort them out as I deal with K&N direct.

Hmm... Tbf I've never had an issue on the filter location or getting it off. I've got a little ratchet strap tool, strap goes round the filter and a 1/2 drive ratchet goes into a metal cylinder that the strap runs through a little slot in. Couple of turns on the ratchet and it's cracked it off to undo by hand

Not sure what the cost is on those filters, but at this point I'm aiming for something cheap that just works

Partly just don't wanna go to Mazda anymore unless I can really help it. After they quoted me £31.50 ex VAT just for a 5L of coolant when I had it waaay cheaper not long ago, it's getting on my nerves

You should try Northampton Motors Mazda if you want laugh, they quoted me over £60 Inc VAT for coolant

[Milos_Balunovic]

You should try Northampton Motors Mazda if you want laugh, they quoted me over £60 Inc VAT for coolant

Did you speak directly to a person in the Business Prevention Department?

[thatturborx8]

Hi Guys and gals, just a bump to this old post, another correct alternative for the R3 filter would be the MANN W610/2 which i have used many times.
It matches the Mazda part numbers for the R3 on the MANN system but not with the motor factors for some reason but if you ask for this specific MANN number you will be able to get it from any motor factors that supply MANN.
I know because i had this issue when i first bought the R3,even made a video on it here.

[HarSc]

Good to always have alternatives Silviu, and seems like those MANN ones have been well trialled with how you track and properly drive your car too

Also realise I didn't update this thread - whoops, I ended up buying one of these blueprint R3 filters, and works fine as you'd expect specs of it line up with the tokyo roku ones, and it looks bang on the same as the OEM filter to my eye ended up installing it on R3 FOE in the end here.

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