Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
It does sound like a drop link or roll bar problem
May be a drop link is disconnected completely
May be a drop link is disconnected completely
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
But it's not just about whether you think you're in control Pete, it's about the other drivers who have also paid to be there and do follow the rules. Especially when some of your own friends are out there. Passing may have been allowed on both sides, but also in braking zones and at the apex? Undertaking and pushing cars out off the line? Even if the rules were 'anything goes' do you really think that closing that close and that fast on other drivers is safe? What if they haven't seen you sneak in there where you shouldn't be? You have no idea what they've seen or what they will do. What if you have a mechanical failure and end up ploughing through someone or at the least bending their car because you left a literal inch gap? Will you then pull out the old racing driver excuses, like how it wasn't your fault? And hope they don't smash your face in return?Conan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:53 pmIt’s not an example of how to drive on a track day and never has been as most would realise.ChrisHolmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:39 pmI remember that video well when you dived up my left side under braking into Brookands at 10:13 and nearly rammed the Honda. Good fast driving but not really a good example of how to drive on a track day.
It’s an example of a virtually standard RX-8 on PZ suspension
There was never any danger of raming another car as the passenger can confirm rather than your opinion.
Overtaking on both sides was allowed on that occasion and the car is never anywhere near the limit that people may assume which the passenger can also attest to.
The attitude shown in your response to Chris just makes the list of people on here that I never want to be on track with grow longer. I expected better awareness from an experienced driver. Maybe a nod that you got carried away that day. Not doubling down with that Johnny Big-Balls nonsense. You were clearly lucky to have some very alert and accommodating drivers with you on track that day.
Plenty of us can put in blistering laps like that if we ignore etiquette, push it to the limit and muscle past everyone. Following the rules, keeping space and driving safely while still posting quick times is what's really impressive. It's those members here who manage that (I won't name them) whom I really respect.
That video doesn't say anything about the car, we all know it's easy to outdrive faster cars in an 8... especially if you think you're in a race while they're just out for a casual few laps round an historic circuit and clearly aren't pushing hard. A perfect video example of why I don't drive at car festivals.
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Does track day insurance cover damage to cars caused by 'racing incidents'? And if so, who is the final arbiter of who is responsible for a crash?
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
This may helpSmuttyHutty wrote:Does track day insurance cover damage to cars caused by 'racing incidents'? And if so, who is the final arbiter of who is responsible for a crash?
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
In short, trackday insurance is the opposite of third party. It only covers damage to your car, regardless of blame.
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Wow. So if I stove my £3000 car into Chris' £20,000+ car then mine will get fixed and his won't? So then he would need to pursue me for damages within the court system and prove my culpability and then hope that I have assets that can be recovered in order to meet the cost of his car's repairs and also pay his legal fees?
Or have I missed something?
Sorry to pick on you, Chris, it's just I recall your recent insurance valuation including mods.
Yet another couple of reasons I have no desire to drive on a track. I don't want to be responsible for the damage to another person or their property.
Or have I missed something?
Sorry to pick on you, Chris, it's just I recall your recent insurance valuation including mods.
Yet another couple of reasons I have no desire to drive on a track. I don't want to be responsible for the damage to another person or their property.
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
If i'm correct you can't claim against anyone when on track !SmuttyHutty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:04 amWow. So if I stove my £3000 car into Chris' £20,000+ car then mine will get fixed and his won't? So then he would need to pursue me for damages within the court system and prove my culpability and then hope that I have assets that can be recovered in order to meet the cost of his car's repairs and also pay his legal fees?
Or have I missed something?
Sorry to pick on you, Chris, it's just I recall your recent insurance valuation including mods.
Yet another couple of reasons I have no desire to drive on a track. I don't want to be responsible for the damage to another person or their property.
also great fun on track,in my opinion you have two 8s and you need to try it out to see what they can do,beleve me you will enjoy it .
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I once went go-karting at a track in Kent. The karts seemed to be 125cc or 250cc motorcycle engines welded to an angle iron frame with a plastic school chair with its legs snapped off welded to the frame. Most of the fellas there were seriously into it with the Sparco romper suits and soft soled shoes and hair gel.
After one lap I was happy to come in. But I had to stay out for another 8 or 10 laps.
Never.
Again.
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Never.
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Not the same if you do an open pit lane day you come and go how you wantSmuttyHutty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:49 amI once went go-karting at a track in Kent. The karts seemed to be 125cc or 250cc motorcycle engines welded to an angle iron frame with a plastic school chair with its legs snapped off welded to the frame. Most of the fellas there were seriously into it with the Sparco romper suits and soft soled shoes and hair gel.
After one lap I was happy to come in. But I had to stay out for another 8 or 10 laps.
Never.
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I'll see you lot at Snetterton in March for a meet and greet because it will be great to put faces to avatars. Hopefully both of the cars will be clean and tidy by then.
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I doubt the spectator restriction will be lifted by 6th March, hopefully the event will still take place but based on current data we have a hard time ahead so I doubt Tier 4 is going to go away any time soon.
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Sounds ideal! But then I am biased. I prefer hair wax or clay as I can remould when I take my helmet off....gel is useless to redo once it sets....SmuttyHutty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:49 amI once went go-karting at a track in Kent. The karts seemed to be 125cc or 250cc motorcycle engines welded to an angle iron frame with a plastic school chair with its legs snapped off welded to the frame. Most of the fellas there were seriously into it with the Sparco romper suits and soft soled shoes and hair gel.
Was it Buckmore Park or Bayford Meadows perchance? Those are two well known kart tracks in Kent. Lydd is another one but that's next to Dungeness so very South Kent.
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Smutty if you pay the £10 for being a Passenger, then you can be at trackdays as a spectator
This is what NickD said to us at Brands Hatch
I would happily give you a ride
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
Just had to google it and look at aerial photos - definitely Buckmore Park. The scar tissue is firmly in my brain!. Must've been late 90s. Luckily for our team we had a nutter who weighed about 9st (I think he broke the rules for driver weight) and so the team only came last by a few seconds rather than a few minutes.v-rex wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:19 amSounds ideal! But then I am biased. I prefer hair wax or clay as I can remould when I take my helmet off....gel is useless to redo once it sets....SmuttyHutty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:49 amI once went go-karting at a track in Kent. The karts seemed to be 125cc or 250cc motorcycle engines welded to an angle iron frame with a plastic school chair with its legs snapped off welded to the frame. Most of the fellas there were seriously into it with the Sparco romper suits and soft soled shoes and hair gel.
Was it Buckmore Park or Bayford Meadows perchance? Those are two well known kart tracks in Kent. Lydd is another one but that's next to Dungeness so very South Kent.
I distinctly remember taking a few drivers out who were trying to overtake me and ending up facing the wrong way, stalled and needing a mobile track marshall person to drive up behind me, lever the kart in the air and bump start the damn thing.
I also recall two team names - The Pracing Whores was one of them. Our team had been named by the brother of one of the team. He thought he was being funny.
We were The Soggy Bottom Boys.
Scarred, I tell you. Scarred for life I am!
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See you at Snetterton.....nationwide lockdown permitting.GreySilver Beast wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:40 amSmutty if you pay the £10 for being a Passenger, then you can be at trackdays as a spectator
This is what NickD said to us at Brands Hatch
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Hmmm, that sounds like you were using clutchless karts, direct drive by another name. Those need push starting. Not usually for general customers (which tend to use the lawnmower engines that can be started with a button in most cases ) so I wonder if you were doing a special format. It always seems to rain when I race at Buckmore so soggy bottom boys was probably a very apt name.SmuttyHutty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:56 amI distinctly remember taking a few drivers out who were trying to overtake me and ending up facing the wrong way, stalled and needing a mobile track marshall person to drive up behind me, lever the kart in the air and bump start the damn thing.
Yeah I think kart racing is a marmite thing. For me I love it as it's nice and simple, and probably one of the cheapest forms of motorsport ( although there are championships where people spend £100k a season on their kart ). There isn't too much to a kart technically, so in terms of setup it's easier and you can have really close racing ( sometimes to close ), as compared to cars where even a rub is costly.
However weight is a massive thing and I fail massively on that front ( and even moreso since lockdown ). Things also happen fast in a kart as compared to a car, so as I am also getting older and my reflexes aren't what they once were, I sometimes think I should really give it up one day. But not just quite yet....
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Re: Is the rx8 a 10/10ths car?
The few times I've been carting I found my weight to be the issue to.
Could pretty much take corners without lifting and the only time I lost control was lift off oversteer trying to avoid something crashed ahead.
Good fun none the less....
Could pretty much take corners without lifting and the only time I lost control was lift off oversteer trying to avoid something crashed ahead.
Good fun none the less....
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Agreed when you're 90Kg and the kart is 30 Kg and you're up against 50 Kg opponents its can detract from the event somewhat
I've long been in favour of a simple ballast system to equalise this a bit
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So the series I do Club 100 does have minimum weights for each class. So in the races I do heavyweights need to be a minimum of 90kg, and you are allowed a max ballast of 7kg. Then there is a sub class in that which is super heavyweights which is min 98kg. The suit and helmet weigh in at around 5kg so I'd need to be 93-94kg really to be competitive in that class. I'm at least 10kg from that now and it hurts, and over summer after the first lockdown I was twice that....
I am hoping to lose another couple of stone by season start in March but the workload and lockdown are not helping.... I really should find another hobby but i do love it. The top speed is only ~60mph but everything happens so quick, and there's nothing like nailing an overtake (cleanly) into the braking zone, it's just amazeballs.
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I remember from that karting experience needing forearms like Popeye. The steering was sooooooo heavy. Or I've just got boy arms!?
The karts were definitely not pull-string or button start. The organisers had a few marshall carts around the track and they had a large lever, slipped a part under the back of the kart and lifted the rear of the kart off the track. They then got some speed up and just bump started the kart. There were no gears - accelerator on the right of the 'steering column' (which was more like a length of scaffold pole) and brake on the left.
Part of my problem was left foot braking. Absolutely no subtlety to that so I think I was totally unpredictable to the amazing drivers whose day I probably ruined when they expected me to either not brake or slightly brake and I ended up slamming the anchors on and taking them out.
So, back to that video in an earlier post - I am in no position to criticise. What I can say is that I would have had no clue about someone screaming up the inside of me and there is no doubt that I would have destroyed someone's car. And I am not sure that's the best way to make friends and influence people.
The karts were definitely not pull-string or button start. The organisers had a few marshall carts around the track and they had a large lever, slipped a part under the back of the kart and lifted the rear of the kart off the track. They then got some speed up and just bump started the kart. There were no gears - accelerator on the right of the 'steering column' (which was more like a length of scaffold pole) and brake on the left.
Part of my problem was left foot braking. Absolutely no subtlety to that so I think I was totally unpredictable to the amazing drivers whose day I probably ruined when they expected me to either not brake or slightly brake and I ended up slamming the anchors on and taking them out.
So, back to that video in an earlier post - I am in no position to criticise. What I can say is that I would have had no clue about someone screaming up the inside of me and there is no doubt that I would have destroyed someone's car. And I am not sure that's the best way to make friends and influence people.
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Most track days are much more regulated than that and it's the responsibility of the person approaching faster to ensure that the overtake is safe, often limited to particular parts of the circuit and on a given side.
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The above is the ideal but marshalling standards have become quite lax at some track days and operators often vary in their enforcement of rules such as live timing, driving and pit lane disciplines. The ATDOs seems to a non operational and thus invisible body which simply absorbs emails and has the phone on silent with no voicemail facility!
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Hi Chris,ChrisHolmes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:28 amThe above is the ideal but marshalling standards have become quite lax at some track days and operators often vary in their enforcement of rules such as live timing, driving and pit lane disciplines. The ATDOs seems to a non operational and thus invisible body which simply absorbs emails and has the phone on silent with no voicemail facility!
Why don’t you post up your communication so members can see what your trying to do for them.
The lack of response does seem a little strange.
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I will see what I can find.Conan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:11 pmHi Chris,ChrisHolmes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:28 amThe above is the ideal but marshalling standards have become quite lax at some track days and operators often vary in their enforcement of rules such as live timing, driving and pit lane disciplines. The ATDOs seems to a non operational and thus invisible body which simply absorbs emails and has the phone on silent with no voicemail facility!
Why don’t you post up your communication so members can see what your trying to do for them.
The lack of response does seem a little strange.
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I remember this experience very well, Pete was giving me a demonstration of what the car would be capable of and it felt quite safe in the car as he obviously has quite a feel for the car and playing with the evo's
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