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Dr. FrankenRex wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
OK... 2 things, firstly - Google Pixel phones aren't made in America - shocking, right?

secondly, Indonesia and India are two different places...

I'm just not sure what you're trying to say?
The tyre test was interesting but aside from the "Big Boys" basically the Vreds are manufactured by a European tyre company in Europe that is owned by a large Indian tyre company and they were rated better than a cheaper tyre that is manufactured by PT. Elangperdana Tyre an Indonesian tyre company.

So there was no surprise the cheapest tyre was not very good in comparison with any of the others.

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I don’t understand how they get away with selling such a poor tyre?
You would think that insurance companies would have cottoned on to it and refuse to cover cars with them fitted.
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Because there is a huge market for cheap round black tyres!

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Perhaps a controversial / untrue / unreasonable point, but in my current opinion:

I quite rarely feel as though I really 'require' such levels of performance from a tyre.
Every-day driving I am far from pushing the laws of physics. Even when being quite brisk going about my business, I must be quite a margin away from exceeding the levels of available grip.

If I were in need of such levels of performance, then I'd surely be driving in a manner that my insurance company would find worrying anyway - I doubt that they'd be much placated by my pointing out that the tyres are premium. Thinking distance is a sizeable constant, regardless of what you're driving.

Not that I'm in any way the best, most sensible, safest driver on the roads at the moment, but I do think that the dangers I face have come from either: someone behaving in an unreasonable/unpredictable way, or me having some kind of lapse and probably not being where I should be at that time.
The latter I don't think can be helped by any form of equipment on the car (other than maybe a few cans of coffee in the car 5 minutes in advance?), and the former should be seen as a situation forced upon me that is the responsibility of those breaking decent driving protocols - it shouldn't really be a requirement for people to slam on the anchors so that other folk can pull out of a side road without looking - if I hit them, then that should be their insurer's problem, and it shouldn't be my responsibility to spend more to put up with their idiocy and have them avoid the consequences of it.
I had both recently which happened to involve heavier-than-usual braking on cheapest of the cheap tyres (probably mismatched) but they did the job with room to spare I'm sure.
Situational awareness and driving to conditions are worth many times more safety points than a 0.7s better tyre in day-to-day activities, I think.
I'm sure there are some totally horrendous tyres out there but I don't think I've discovered them so far.

It is nice to have good wet tyres though - not that the original Bridgestones were meant to be either much good in the wet or particularly cheap, mind you.

This is just a thought about the insurance point ^ I do appreciate good rubber when needed, don't worry ("when needed" likely to now end up being: next week when it rains and I plow into an oil tanker when a set of Contis would have made the difference #-o ).
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Re: Fantastic Tyre Review Test

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13Black wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 pm
Perhaps a controversial / untrue / unreasonable point, but in my current opinion:

I quite rarely feel as though I really 'require' such levels of performance from a tyre.
Every-day driving I am far from pushing the laws of physics. Even when being quite brisk going about my business, I must be quite a margin away from exceeding the levels of available grip.
I take your point, but some of these tyres are so bad (especially on a damp road, maybe with a less than perfect surface) that they can do things nobody would expect. Even at low speed / loading. Some of the posts above allude to such behaviour, and I experienced it on mine before I replaced them with something at least half decent (Avon ZZ5).

I've had excellent experience with Vredestein previously, and would definitely fit them again.
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When I bought my RX8, nearly 4 years ago, the "specialist" garage where I brought it from, proudly announced they had just fitted new tyres all round....can't remember the manufacturer, but they were horrible with little grip even on a dry road, no meaningful feedback and definately not confidence inspiring for my first foray into rotary ownership.

Did some research, via this forum, on who to speak to about getting my car sorted (a few other issues and causes for concern were starting to appear) and....

...within a few weeks I was pointed in the direction of Nanking AS2+, by LC Rotary, what a difference! Amazing wet and dry grip and actual real feedback through the suspension and steering.

Fast forward to this year and the recommendation for replacements was Avon ZV7 - so far so good, similar levels of grip and less tyre roar.

Having ridden motorcycles for 40+ years, I learned a long time ago not to scrimp on decent tyres.

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Delanor wrote:
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Dr. FrankenRex wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
OK... 2 things, firstly - Google Pixel phones aren't made in America - shocking, right?

secondly, Indonesia and India are two different places...

I'm just not sure what you're trying to say?
The tyre test was interesting but aside from the "Big Boys" basically the Vreds are manufactured by a European tyre company in Europe that is owned by a large Indian tyre company and they were rated better than a cheaper tyre that is manufactured by PT. Elangperdana Tyre an Indonesian tyre company.

So there was no surprise the cheapest tyre was not very good in comparison with any of the others.

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So you're saying that the tyres were obviously shocking as they were made in indonesia, but a tyre that was made in Europe by a company owned in India is obviously a good tyre?

That's absurd... Everything is made somewhere, a lot of things made places you wouldn't expect. For example, Nokia for many years was the best phone manufacturer around - made in Finland.

The concept of something being good or bad because of where it is made is ridiculous in my opinion. It's all just a massive prejudice.

Does your opinion of Bridgestone change knowing that they are owned by a company in Turkey?
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13Black wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 pm

I quite rarely feel as though I really 'require' such levels of performance from a tyre.
Every-day driving I am far from pushing the laws of physics. Even when being quite brisk going about my business, I must be quite a margin away from exceeding the levels of available grip.
This is why I went for the Falkens - most supple ride and the most quiet.

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Dr. FrankenRex wrote:
The most surprising point of the video? Just how good the Vredstein Vortis are.

The most unsurprising point of the video? Just how pants Accelera Phi tyres are :D
I merely gave my opinion of why the cheapest Indonesian manufactured tyre by a relatively unknown tyre manufacturer was not as good as the others, just how exactly is that "massively prejudiced what is your opinion on "Just how good the Vredesdtein Vortis are, and "Just how pants Accelera PHI tyres are."

Bridgestone the Japananese owned premium tyre company manufactured the tyres on my 911 in Japan and irrespective of any other country they may be manufactured in or distributed to its a Bridgestone a premium brand I expect to deliver quality for the premium price you have to pay - unlike "Accelera"

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Dr. FrankenRex wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:31 pm
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Really should change the budget 'Runway' tyres the PZ came with..
Could be worse, our daily Mazda 6 was running 'Landsail' tyres when we bought it. If ever there was a tyre name that invokes the distinct behaviours you DON'T want from a fricking tyre.
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Well, at least they will provide an experience :D

13Black wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 pm
I'm sure there are some totally horrendous tyres out there but I don't think I've discovered them so far.

I do agree not every school bus/shopping trolley justifies premium rubber for the use they usually see, but there most definitely is another end to the scale when a budget tyre simply does not do what you would expect, like my little roundabout understeer. I was really not asking much from them [-X

Autogrip are the worst I've experienced (and most ironically named), with their limits found under normal road use quite easily and often by surprise. I really don't think they should be on sale.


Other budgets are ok-ish but quality can be lacking. They usually take loads of weight to balance but some will grip, and might even be quiet if you're lucky. I once fitted a set of 'Sunny' tyres to my old Omega as it was due to be scrapped a few months later and these were the cheapest in that size. They became so noisy I actually changed wheel bearings before I realised they were the cause, and I eventually found none of them were actually round. I ended up changing them again for some re-branded premiums just to see the car out :roll:
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I had some "Sunny" tyres on an MK1 MX5 I bought and the car just wouldn`t go round corners in the wet without it trying to swop ends these are Chinese tyres - say no more.
I agree some budget tyres are reasonably able pottering around town etc but put those same tyres with wear in a sudden downpour at 70+ MPH on a motorway with the prospect of aquaplaning and increased braking distances. :shaking: :pale:

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When Japanese bikes first started coming into the UK, their technology was streets ahead of any of the British brands, with the exception of the tyres.

If you wanted your new Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha/Kawasaki to make it around a wet roundabout then the first thing you did was throw away the factory tyres (often Bridgestones) and put on Dunlop, Avon, Michelin or Continental.

The problem was that Bridgestone and all their compatriots, had developed the tyres for reasonable grip and good mileage on coarse concrete road surfaces, not tarmac.

Bridgestone has since learned the lesson, but many of the other far eastern manufacturers appear not to..
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Well this is a rather timely video. I have 4 old Vredestein Sessanta's on my rex that are due for replacement. About 5 or 6 track days and 10k miles (I've been careful on track - there's still more than 4mm all the way around), and I'm due for replacement soon due to their age.

The Vred Ultrac Vorti look like the natural replacement, but has anyone got any comparison with the Goodyear or Continental?
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worst i ever used were what "arrived" on my old 192, Rotalla.

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HypoThermia wrote:
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Well this is a rather timely video. I have 4 old Vredestein Sessanta's on my rex that are due for replacement. About 5 or 6 track days and 10k miles (I've been careful on track - there's still more than 4mm all the way around), and I'm due for replacement soon due to their age.

The Vred Ultrac Vorti look like the natural replacement, but has anyone got any comparison with the Goodyear or Continental?
Haven't got a comparison but I can vouch for the Vorti's, I have them on my R3 and they are a fantastic tyre, loads of grip in both wet and dry conditions and wear rates are good.

On the subject of wear rates, my previous tyres were Pirelli P Zero's, I got three, yes THREE months before they needed to be replaced. I'm on vortis now ( 12 months down the line) and I still have a decent amount of rubber left
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I noticed that Tyre Reviews has another video out, comparing the various Goodyear tyres. They are testing Assymetric 5’s, Supersports and Supersport R’s. All performance tyres with the latter tyres being more biased towards the track, but all three seem to offer good wet grip. The Assymetric 5’s and Supersports can be had for less than £100 each from Camskill, which is sensible money.

I’ve always used Vredestein tyres on the RX8 for road and track use. They have been great value for money. Recently, I purchased some Nankang NS2R’s for track use. Great in the dry but not good for a cold, wet track. I’m wondering if these new Goodyear, tyres are a good alternative to the Vreds, £80 a set more, but much better wet grip and slightly better in the dry?

I’ve ordered some Assymetric 5’s for my 2014 Swift Sport on the basis of the Tyre Reviews video, so let’s see how they go.
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My Vreds have been faultless and I will continue to use them.. wet or dry the grip couldn't be better and I'm not slow in/out of bends in Lincs. either ;)
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PJ_Parsons wrote:I noticed that Tyre Reviews has another video out, comparing the various Goodyear tyres. They are testing Assymetric 5’s, Supersports and Supersport R’s. All performance tyres with the latter tyres being more biased towards the track, but all three seem to offer good wet grip. The Assymetric 5’s and Supersports can be had for less than £100 each from Camskill, which is sensible money.

I’ve always used Vredestein tyres on the RX8 for road and track use. They have been great value for money. Recently, I purchased some Nankang NS2R’s for track use. Great in the dry but not good for a cold, wet track. I’m wondering if these new Goodyear, tyres are a good alternative to the Vreds, £80 a set more, but much better wet grip and slightly better in the dry?

I’ve ordered some Assymetric 5’s for my 2014 Swift Sport on the basis of the Tyre Reviews video, so let’s see how they go.
Saw that too. I'm seriously considering a set of supersports as my next set of tyres for the RX7. Should be a massive improvement over my current Federal 595 rsrs in the wet and probably as good in the dry. A track comparison between the two would be interesting

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Nice to see the Michelins come out well, as I intend to fit 4 to the BMW to replace the Bridgestone run-flats that it came with.

Seeing as the PS4S doesn't come in 18" sizes, I'll be going for PS4 for the RX8 next, which currently has PS3 fitted. When I bought the car it had the PS3 on the front and Jinyus on the rear, which were just plain scary :shock: I fixed that rather quickly.

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i had triangle tyres all round on my old lorry (7.5ton iveco eurocargo recovery wagon)

they where ok, actually, so ok in fact that i made a point speccing them to replace when i wore them out. better than most other tyres for life and predictable handling. but that WAS a lorry, so..

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722Adam wrote:
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Nice to see the Michelins come out well, as I intend to fit 4 to the BMW to replace the Bridgestone run-flats that it came with.

Seeing as the PS4S doesn't come in 18" sizes, I'll be going for PS4 for the RX8 next,
I forked out for PS4's on the mx5 and i'm genuinely shocked with how well they grip.
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Updated review has just dropped...
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Updated review has just dropped...
Nice. Great vid. I'm liking the Potenza Sports on my RX8 so far but still scrubbing them in and I've not driven in the wet...

I have the PS4's the SUV version on my CX-5 so will take that if it looks really wet out!
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nice review

looks like the hankook Ventus S1 Evo3 for my next tyre I'd say

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