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Reds are EC90 approved, they can't be much higher friction than OE pads or they fail that.

I wouldn't even bother with them, either stock or if you really need something start stepping up to proper pads like F4R, DS1.11, XP8, etc.
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Trust me guys project mu!!!! Had them on the supra with 500hp absolutley awsome i bought them for a laugh because of the price thinking ah we'll give them a go see what the fuss is about and the rest wer history im geting front and rear for Roxanne with stop tech disks, and i think they were hyro carbon
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The Project Mu distributor for the UK doesn't stock pads for the RX8, though they do RX7 :?
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dac69er wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:57 pm
I have some brembo pads to fit on mine soon so I will see how they are compared to the original mazda pads.
I'm well impressed with the current setup so will be disappointed if the brakes get worse with new pads
Not sure what you mean by 'original mazda pads'. I'd be surprised if Mazda make their own pad compounds.

If your new pads are the OEM fit Brembo pads (rather than 'big brake' ones), they're super for fast road and track days. I've used them for 25k miles now and those pads are excellent. Even with those cheapos on I out-brake dedicated race cars on track. So for the road they're juuuust fine.

Azimuth must have had an unlucky issue with his received set or fitting. Don't be put off. Mintex ones will be fine too.
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Brembo make decent calipers but the pads aren't upto much
Best pads I've used are Hawk HPS, ABS triggered a lot quicker than when I was using EBS reds.
Not up to much compared to what? You guys are comparing OEM pads designed for the road, that don't need warming up and that you can fit on the whole car for £50, with race/track focused pads that cost 4 times as much.

If you want to buy Reds, Project Mu, Hawks etc and overspec the braking that's awesome. Strakes are cool too. But making out that the cheaper pads aren't up to much is a bit... :-s

If you're wanting pads for sustained maximum attack on track days or competitive racing rather than fast road use that's another conversation, and would be helpful if that was made explicit.
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Owners should be aware that both Mintex & Brembo brakes can be fakes - they are out there the price is usually a bit of a give away but not necessarily.

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The Project Mu distributor for the UK doesn't stock pads for the RX8, though they do RX7 :?
Essex Rotary however do have access to Project Mu pads as fitted to my EX RX8 :(
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dac69er wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:57 pm
I have some brembo pads to fit on mine soon so I will see how they are compared to the original mazda pads.
I'm well impressed with the current setup so will be disappointed if the brakes get worse with new pads
Not sure what you mean by 'original mazda pads'. I'd be surprised if Mazda make their own pad compounds.

If your new pads are the OEM fit Brembo pads (rather than 'big brake' ones), they're super for fast road and track days. I've used them for 25k miles now and those pads are excellent. Even with those cheapos on I out-brake dedicated race cars on track. So for the road they're juuuust fine.

Azimuth must have had an unlucky issue with his received set or fitting. Don't be put off. Mintex ones will be fine too.

my car has done 18k miles from new so it has the original pads. i understand the pads are unlikely to be made by mazda themselves.

I went on a trackday recently and they held up amazingly well. i have a set of new pads ready as the originals are starting to wear down a bit now. was just a worry that they may not be as good as the originals, which is all i am after.
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I put Brembos (from ECP) all round on mine recently and have not noticed any real difference, though they have not had any hard use yet.
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I reckon if the pads aren't doing the job, there's something else going on. Most brake pads will do the business, so long as they're genuine and appropriate to the use case (road pads for road cars, race pads for race cars). I'd be stripping the whole lot down, making sure the discs are in good nick, the calipers are sliding cleanly, the brake fluid is fresh and clean, the lines and pipes are not corroded or damaged, all of that stuff. Then I'd follow the manufacturer's bedding in procedure and see where it ends up.
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Harrizone wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:31 am
warpc0il wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:33 pm
The Project Mu distributor for the UK doesn't stock pads for the RX8, though they do RX7 :?
Essex Rotary however do have access to Project Mu pads as fitted to my EX RX8 :(
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Delanor wrote:
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Owners should be aware that both Mintex & Brembo brakes can be fakes - they are out there the price is usually a bit of a give away but not necessarily.

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A very valid point. The fake pads sellers from the East and the importers in the West got wise many years ago that a super low price "gave the game away" and they now simply price "competitively" and make huge profits.
When I worked for Perkins I managed the distributors in India and Pakistan and "number two" products are offered by traders alongside the genuine parts, or are they genuine. I remember one day sitting in a little shop in the tractor parts market of Lahore and asking to see every brand of piston that they sold for the Perkins 3.152 engine. The counterfeited brands were Perkins Powerpart (3 versions), LUK, AE, Mahle, KS, PC, plus others I cannot recall but certainly we had over 10 pistons on the counter and the packaging of the Powerpart was very good indeed and to the average mechanic would look the same.
The really interesting quirk out there though was that the traders usually actually described the fake brands as Number 2 product when they sold them to customers thus they said to me they were being honest with the customer. A very interesting and educational 5 years that was.

What is my point here? Simply that to ensure you are buying genuine parts you need to buy from an official distributor that deals direct with the manufacturer or their appointed importer. ECP, Andrew Page, FPS etc: I am confident will not be selling fake products but as you get down the distribution chain into high street accessory type shops look out! As for eBay then that can be like buying a lottery ticket.

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The industry doesn`t help itself though - I have emailed NGK twice on behalf of the RX-8 OC that there is a concern about fake NGK plugs in the market place and could they provide a list of Bona Fide distributors so we could be fairly confident you were getting the genuine article - annoyingly no reply!

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The problem here is that there are too many steps in the supply chain, between the manufacturer and the end user, with a lack of traceability.
It's not possible for NGK to know which way their genuine products went and whether or not they were diluted with fakes along the way.
It would be commercial suicide for NGK, or any other manufacturer, to publish a whitelist of retailers, as they would be extending their product liability to include every "NGK branded" product sold through that outlet - genuine or not.

Given that fake prescription drugs can get injected into the supply chain and appear on the shelves of legitimate High Street chemists, what chance do we have with genuine auto parts?

Mazda Franchised Dealers have been caught selling fake coils as genuine...
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There's a few companies using open blockchains for scanners at the factory, shipping, distribution, etc, tied into QR codes on the boxes you can scan to check it's a genuine product and trace it - not many on that kind of thing yet though.
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That sounds like a good idea, though I don't understand how that would prevent cloning, just flag that this is the nth check of what should be a unique valid code.

This type of blacklisting fails when someone has access to the real supply chain, scans every box in the warehouse, sends this list to his mates and they all "check for validity", such that all the genuine products are now flagged as fake.

Ford and its suppliers make heavy use of RFID chips in the JIT production supply process and had been looking to expand it into the parts and service arena. Seems it's fine for stock management but of little value in flagging clones.

Many suppliers tried holographic labels but these are also faked these days too.

Going a little off-topic but, for some reason I was reminded of this news story...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 70621.html
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If Jaguar Land Rover can`t stop Land Wind producing one of these then what chance has the brake/ spark plug manufacturer got?
Ah well if you can`t beat them I`ll have one of these for £14K.

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Unreal :shock: Looks good on the outside but possibly a pile of sh!te underneath the shell? :-k Seriously though,how the hell do they get away with it?
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Thanks for that Mark,very interesting read
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kopite72 wrote:
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Unreal :shock: Looks good on the outside but possibly a pile of sh!te underneath the shell? :-k Seriously though,how the hell do they get away with it?
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Guys Eballs sell project mu i got some down for after xmas
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Are the project Mu pads any good? I was looking at them the other day for the 7
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Are the project Mu pads any good? I was looking at them the other day for the 7

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There are also fake Project Mu pads in circulation, though I'm sure Aston would take care where he gets his stock from.

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As far as I am aware Aston imports direct from Project Mu. As to wether or not they work, boy do they :thumleft: but only when warm then they will put you through the windscreen :lol: . Well they do the way I brake #-o .
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