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4 wheel alignment within tolerance
hi all, just had the above done, and its like rocket science to me, hoping that someone can look at the results in pic,and tell me if there within limits
the top is before,bottom now
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Nope still can't see them...
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
well thats odd , any suggestions how elae to add them, aa this is a first for me
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Fixed for you Dazza. Easiest just to host them on here, rather than trying to link through Tapatalk.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
(Sorry qwakers, I think they got swapped. If you look at the titles on the sheets then the top one seems to be after adjustment...)
By the way Dazza, all he did was a small adjustment to your front toe settings. You are running quite a lot of front and rear negative camber (you have lowered the car haven't you?). I'd say for the road you are probably running too much negative camber, and it might cause your tyres to wear on the inside shoulder before the outside shoulder. You should keep a check on the inside of your tyres. You may also notice a bit more "pull" and "tramlining" with the cambers you run. With the amount of camber you are running I'd have kept the front toe setting as it was (slightly toe out), rather than adjusting it back to within spec. If I was doing your geometry I'd have put your cambers back to around 1 to 1.5 degrees negative, and left the toe where it was. But adjusting the toe is probably the only thing the technician knew how to do...
By the way Dazza, all he did was a small adjustment to your front toe settings. You are running quite a lot of front and rear negative camber (you have lowered the car haven't you?). I'd say for the road you are probably running too much negative camber, and it might cause your tyres to wear on the inside shoulder before the outside shoulder. You should keep a check on the inside of your tyres. You may also notice a bit more "pull" and "tramlining" with the cambers you run. With the amount of camber you are running I'd have kept the front toe setting as it was (slightly toe out), rather than adjusting it back to within spec. If I was doing your geometry I'd have put your cambers back to around 1 to 1.5 degrees negative, and left the toe where it was. But adjusting the toe is probably the only thing the technician knew how to do...
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
thanks guys,yes pete car is lowered, he dis only adjust the front slightly as you said,he said the reat was fine,i had it done as mot advisory was both front inner tyre s were worn,so suggestions keep an eye on tyre wear ?
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
sorry but even the top pic is terrible. hes adjusted front toe and not touched anything else, i hope you didnt pay much...
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
no didnt pay alot,it was as i said the front tyres that were wearing slightly on inner sides,the rears literally had no wear at all.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Inside shoulder wear, you say? I should be a psychic!
You really need to get your front camber adjusted. As I say, aim for between -1deg and -1.5deg. That toe adjustment will make next to no difference. You are best taking it to someone who properly knows what they are doing with suspension. Kwik Fit isn't going to be able to help you with this one.
You really need to get your front camber adjusted. As I say, aim for between -1deg and -1.5deg. That toe adjustment will make next to no difference. You are best taking it to someone who properly knows what they are doing with suspension. Kwik Fit isn't going to be able to help you with this one.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
thanks pete ,i shall have to look for somewhere which will be able to adjust it all up for me
am.i right in assuming that even though the toe in has had small adjustment im still likely to suffer with inner tyre premature wear(on the front).
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am.i right in assuming that even though the toe in has had small adjustment im still likely to suffer with inner tyre premature wear(on the front).
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thanks pete for all the replys/help much appreciated
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Toe is a bigger tyre killer than camber as it effectively scrubs your tyre across the tarmac, I think you will still get wear on shoulders but not nearly as bad as you had it
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Camber just reduces the wear patch on the road, if you go in a straight line with 5 degrees of camber the wheels travel forward, if you did that with 5 degrees of toe out or in those wheels are being scrubbed as they are pointing left/right but car is going straight on
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
IME a small error in toe has a much more rapid effect on tyre wear than a similar error in camber, as it creates scrub under all conditions.
However, the slightest error in camber can make toe related tyre wear much more rapid; which - by definition means that the errors in toe can make camber related wear worse.
It's bit like drugs on top of alcohol, or alcohol on top of drugs, neither is a good idea for keeping in a straight line.
On older cars rwd cars I tend to go for slightly more toe-in, as this is normally set on a static rig.
Any wear on the related suspension and steering components will tend to make the effective toe less (towards toe-out) as the car pushes from the rear through the rolling resistance of the front wheels.
Similarly, I'd set a fwd car with more toe-out, as the wheels try and pull ahead of the car.
In both cases I'm only talking about which end of the normal range (tolerance) to aim for, rather than going far outside that range.
However, the slightest error in camber can make toe related tyre wear much more rapid; which - by definition means that the errors in toe can make camber related wear worse.
It's bit like drugs on top of alcohol, or alcohol on top of drugs, neither is a good idea for keeping in a straight line.
On older cars rwd cars I tend to go for slightly more toe-in, as this is normally set on a static rig.
Any wear on the related suspension and steering components will tend to make the effective toe less (towards toe-out) as the car pushes from the rear through the rolling resistance of the front wheels.
Similarly, I'd set a fwd car with more toe-out, as the wheels try and pull ahead of the car.
In both cases I'm only talking about which end of the normal range (tolerance) to aim for, rather than going far outside that range.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
i read this several times now, admittingly i still dont understand all the different measurments , confused.com springs to my mind,
i guess what im asking are all the measurments camber included,within the manufacture specs.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
For comparison, here's my setup on lowered Tein Monoflex. I've found this setup works well on road and track;
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
In order for the system to generate the correct results the operator needs to measure the ride height and input into the system, as this changes the target numbers.
Failure to do this can result in a nice green report that is totally wrong.
It also means that we can't be sure if those numbers are correct or not for your car.
Even the most expensive equipment requires a trained and careful operator.
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Failure to do this can result in a nice green report that is totally wrong.
It also means that we can't be sure if those numbers are correct or not for your car.
Even the most expensive equipment requires a trained and careful operator.
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Re: 4 wheel alignment within tolerance
Oh, if only we knew an F1 tyre engineer, for a definitive opinion.Eddie_r32 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:24 pmCamber just reduces the wear patch on the road, if you go in a straight line with 5 degrees of camber the wheels travel forward, if you did that with 5 degrees of toe out or in those wheels are being scrubbed as they are pointing left/right but car is going straight on
(I'm tempted to draw some pictures to explain, but I'm on my phone at the moment)