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Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:05 am

So It seems the lack of motion and cold snap has caused my oil lines to blow.

Does anybody know of or recommend any braided kits apart from Mishimoto?

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by SeriousSam » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:32 am

Pirtek might well be able to sort you out, they custom-make everything.
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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by PeteH » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:20 pm

Racing Beat is the other obvious one. Talk to Clive...
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Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:25 pm

I was looking for a kit circa £150-£200 Not sure I'd fully appreciate them at £455! think I might just have to stick with the normal ones.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:01 pm

My main objection to Mishimoto is they say they're compatible with S1 and S2 which Mazda & Racing Beat don't agree with given they're different between the models.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Goobie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Essex Rotary do their own version for £350.

http://www.essexrotaryspecialists.com/s ... ine-parts/

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:54 pm

Goobie wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:57 pm
Essex Rotary do their own version for £350.

http://www.essexrotaryspecialists.com/s ... ine-parts/
I've been in touch they don't of yet have a kit for the R3

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by AndyBrad » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:02 am

as daft as this sounds why not make some up from a hydraulic hose supplier. Would cost significantly less?

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:15 am

AndyBrad wrote:
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as daft as this sounds why not make some up from a hydraulic hose supplier. Would cost significantly less?

Yeah, Sam above mentioned Pirtek, my only concern is I'll have to have it all off the car then traipse it up to them wait a couple of weeks then hope everything is right.


Options are I just take the plunge and get the Racing Beat ones, which I'm loathed to do. I let Essex Rotary keep my car as their test car to build a kit, but then I also have to pay them to fit them. Finally I just try the less expensive higher risk option of Pirtek.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by PaulAV » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:48 am

With a company like pirtek they will make the hoses while you wait, having worked as a hydraulic sales and service engineer about 10 years ago, I used to remove, identify and make hydraulic hoses in the back of an iveco van on site, the hose manufacture took about 10 minutes. Should be able to make both sides in less than an hour.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:51 am

PaulAV wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:48 am
With a company like pirtek they will make the hoses while you wait, having worked as a hydraulic sales and service engineer about 10 years ago, I used to remove, identify and make hydraulic hoses in the back of an iveco van on site, the hose manufacture took about 10 minutes. Should be able to make both sides in less than an hour.

Thank you for that, I'm going to look at using a local company, I'll run them on my car and if they all go well then maybe I'll look at preparing a kit for people to buy if they want. Not that I'd be looking to do it for money but more for people that don't want to spend £450 on some hoses. All for supporting a local business!

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by SeriousSam » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Sounds good, always good to have alternatives out there. Might need to renew your membership if you want to organise a group buy though - otherwise you won't be able to access the forum where it will be managed from ;)
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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by dern » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:52 pm

Buy the parts on ebay and make your own. It'll cost about £100 or so and fitting them is far harder than making the set up. Made a set for my wife's car over a year ago and they look good and have been reliable.

Charging a couple of hundred for cutting some hose and assembling some unions is taking the P*** if you ask me. Mind you, I thought RX8 parts were excessively expensive until I bought a VW T5.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by PaulAV » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Difference between your hoses and hoses made by a hydraulic specialist company is specifications of fittings (ferrule crimped not compression fitting) and hose, plus said fittings will be crimped on to the hose with ferrules to specific tolerances, I'm not taking anything away from your hoses, just pointing out where some of the extra cost comes from.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by PaulAV » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Still a saving over mazda or aftermarket either way

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:40 pm

Well I’m actually now going to just build the hose and buy some decent unions. I’ve spoke to my friend who used to build drift cars and he laughed at me and said they’re a piece of P*** make them yourself.

So I’ll just find out what size barbs I need for the coolers and order the parts!

Should you be privy to this information dern I’d appreciate your help!


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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Goobie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:12 pm

I knew I’ve seen a proper write up to make your own some where with all the details you need and I’ve just found it.

Click on this link buddy.

viewtopic.php?f=104&t=71400&start=25#p1047048

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Goobie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:17 pm

Everything you need etc. On the link above, the bottom of his post has a good detail pdf for what you need to order.
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Attached is a spreadsheet (and PDF output of the same thing) which details my string measurements of the OEM lines - including the bits which have extra protection from chaffing. This is jumping the gun a bit in terms of the write-up, but the info is handy - I found that actually when in situ, I needed to shorten the hoses a bit to make it all fit nicely. Depending on how you route this inside your bay, how much this is will change, but the new lines curve a bit more and end up with shorter runs that the convoluted OEM setup. I ended up trimming in situ.

Shopping list wise, I ended up with the following, all from "Torques UK" who sell through ebay - but you can talk to them over the phone/email, and they're very helpful + the kit is good.

- AN10 Hose - 5 metres (4 would be fine actually, but I bought 5 to be sure!). Nylon braided is more than adequate for our needs - I put in some extra protection with heat-shrink where I thought there might be an issue.

- 1 x 45 degree AN10 angle. (this connector I used on the connection at the back of the engine, next to the oil filter)
- 5 x 90 degree AN 10 angles (used everywhere else!)
For the above, I used "ultraflow" connectors, but these aren't strictly necessary and you could save £25 or so having the more standard connectors like the RacingBeat and Mishimoto lines use.

- AN10 - M18x1.5 adaptors (used to replace banjo bolts with the AN10 fitting. Make sure you use lots of PTFE tape - but not too much so it finds it's way into the oil system!)
- AN10 seperators (just being a bit too thorough with neat installation - again you can just use some normal P-clips).

And the RacingBeat oil line installation guide is very handy for the diagram and seeing how they recommend you install it. I won't attach that here because I think it's a bit rude stealing someone elses work quite that blatantly ;)

As for building the lines, there are loads of online guides. The proper vice grip thingy and spanners make life easier, but you can use more standard tools and do an ok job. Just be sure everything is connected properly and the lines etc. are all kept clean. Also definitely make sure you leak test everything before you put your car back together - I had to nip up one connector when I did this.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by dern » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:06 pm

Yie wrote:
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Should you be privy to this information dern I’d appreciate your help!
I can't find my post with my shopping list but I just worked from the one that goobie has posted.

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Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:30 pm

Goobie! Thank you, so much.

And of course Zippy for doing it! I know it’s for the S1 but I’m pretty sure it’s only the length that’s different will find out more in due course!

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by wiggles » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 am

Very interested in this mine appear to be leaking and could do with a cheaper alternative...
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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:39 am

Here is what I believe you’ll need:

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Zippy mentioned ultra flow not being essential.

More than happy for my quantity’s to be challenged.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by dern » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:04 am

That's more expensive than I recalled, sorry.

Looking back at my ebay purchase history I didn't buy the ultraflow stuff but the fast flow which is cheaper. I didn't buy the separators, must have reused what was on the car. I also only bought 4m of hose which was plenty. Mine all added up to £190 at the time.
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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by Yie » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:05 am

I'm just concerned I don't know what the difference is with the Series 2 only that is is different I may well find that the barbs wont work on the back of the block etc. I'd rather have too much than not enough If I make any Errors!

The only people that seem to know the answer to that is Racing Beat!

I don't mind using the ultra flows and the bracket purely based on it's an upgrade on even the Racing Beat, I understand you pay for the R&D and the name.

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Re: Braided Oil Hose

Post by SeriousSam » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:46 am

To be fair, based on that pricing you might want to get a quote from Pirtek. They'll come to you and custom make the hoses, and I don't think you'd be far in excess of £300 based on what I've heard before. Granted if you knew exactly what you wanted and didn't need spares that would bring your parts cost down somewhat, but it would be interesting to see what their pricing was like.

But then that does take away the fun of doing it yourself ;)
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