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Re: MOT Warnings

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Today I had the MOT done on my Accord hack. The poster in National Tyres effectively said that in the event of failure a car could not be driven even if the expiry date of the previous MOT hadn’t been reached.
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Mine failed 3 days ago on a small patch of welding ..it passed today...old mot ran til 19th of October....
I drove it to work for the 2days...
Reason...1. Valid mot til 19th.
2. Not in anyway dangerous.
3. No coppers in Wiltshire and still saying mot,d on the website this morning...so aont gonna catch with anpr driving 10 mins to work....
Ive done no more wrong than driving it home from mot with the fail than using it for 2 days after. How can it be fit for driving it home after failure and not at any other time..load of conflicting bs to me.
Should be clear....this car is unsafe and cannot be driven.
This car has no valid mot and expired and cannot be driven.
This car has failed on parts that do not meet the mot standard you have a current valid mot so can legally drive home to make the repairs..
I rolled the dice and got away with it...plus if i got pulled i was gonna play dumb...

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I think if a car fails on being a danger to drive, they register that on the website

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What does the first sentence say? It’s obscured by the light.

The official quote in red which only refers to driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition is straight from the gov.uk page we discussed earlier, that only implies restrictions if the previous mot has expired.

The rest of it in their own words is likely just a way of persuading you to let them make repairs if it fails. I still can’t find any official source to back it up.
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Ive had a brake pipe fail on an mot ramp in the past when being inspected....tester said its rotten and leaking..and is a failure....and not safe to drive....fair enough...ill leave it here for you and call a cab.
Old system was common sense this makes no sense atall
Well if you have a car coming up 3 years old...best get the first mot early so warranty can take car of any failures and courtesy car to drive from the stealer.
Vosa dlva make me hoping mad there useless beaucrats. The people that make these dumb rules with no info on there website deserve a dam good burching.
No mot for classic cars...what a stupid idea that 1 is!

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Post by PeteH »

Ian you are determined, but I am sure your interpretation is not correct. I still agree with Phil. The bit in red is the bit that quotes the law.

Of course National will want to cover themselves by advising people not to drive after failure. It avoids the technicians having to make a judgement on whether the failure is bad enough to render the car dangerous in the eyes of the law. National would be liable if they accidentally let a dangerous car drive away and it had a subsequent accident.
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You flatterer, you.

You may be right about National only wanting to cover its backside.

This confusion is intolerable and shows how poor government agencies can be. How difficult is it to be specific? If the government means ‘although your existing MOT may not have expired, if your vehicle fails an MOT then you must only drive it to repair or an MOT unless the reason for failure is not safety-related eg incorrect number plates’, which is my interpretation, then they should say it.

At the end of the day, my interpretation may be right or it may be wrong, but no-one reading this then failing an MOT knows that they risk problems, which was my intention in raising it.
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I was advised by mot tester to not drive my car after driving home as the advice he had been given by the ministry was to do that.

I asked if the car was unsafe to drive and unroadworthy and if i still have 7 days left of old mot whats stopping me from doing so....
He said in his opinion car was not unsafe to drive but had failed to meet safety standard and what i did with my car is upto me......
Needs clarification from vosa....
So today i did the work and if garage had not re motd it....id have no defects but a recent fail but rectified and an old valid mot but still couldnt drive a no defect valid mot til retest.

I think im gonna email dvla and ask em for clarification.





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boosted wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:52 pm

No mot for classic cars...what a stupid idea that 1 is!
My classic '60s Alfa Romeo is two years too young not to need an MOT - in what world does that make any sense????
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warpc0il wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:20 pm
boosted wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:52 pm

No mot for classic cars...what a stupid idea that 1 is!
My classic '60s Alfa Romeo is two years too young not to need an MOT - in what world does that make any sense????
I saw a pre tax/MOT car available recently for £1500 (apparently running) if it actually worked and wasn't falling apart from rust (which it might well be if its had no mot...) that could be a seriously cheap to run car

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PeteH wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:06 pm
Of course National will want to cover themselves by advising people not to drive after failure. It avoids the technicians having to make a judgement on whether the failure is bad enough to render the car dangerous in the eyes of the law.
They also want yer pieces o'eight! :pirate:


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warpc0il wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:20 pm
boosted wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:52 pm

No mot for classic cars...what a stupid idea that 1 is!
My classic '60s Alfa Romeo is two years too young not to need an MOT - in what world does that make any sense????
Are you sure? They've just made it 40 years.
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Exempt vehicles
Other vehicles that don’t need an MOT include:

cars and motorcycles made before 1960
goods vehicles powered by electricity
tractors
A list of exempt types of vehicles is on form V112. You need to fill in the form if your vehicle is listed so that you can tax it.
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In NI, cars built or first registered before 1965 are exempt from MOT.

My Alfa was built in 1968, still trying to identify the exact date so we can celebrate her 50th birthday.

According to the Auto Express article, cars built or first registered before 1977 will be exempt from may next year, at least in England and Wales.

I wonder if they will take the opportunity to align the rules between NI and the rest of the UK - given the state of our current devolved Parliament - I doubt it. It's still illegal to ride an electric bike over here without a licence, tax and mot, because they forgot to run the legislation through Stormount when everyone else did it.
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Oh yes, I forgot you were in NI.

The rationale is that owners of classic cars are going to maintain them anyway, so they don't need to be tested every year as they'll do that routinely. Which is a rare outbreak of common sense from government.
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How many classic car owners have access to ramps to inspect brake pipes..i think its mad to be honest...just my opinion its hardly a hassle a test once a year.

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I must admit, as a classic car owner, the mot is the only time most of the critical stuff gets checked.

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Are you saying without the MOT you won't bother to check these things? Really?
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People are lazy...and majority wont have the skills, tools or inclination to check that brake pipe above the fuel tank...
How would know if you had a brake inbalance...
Guy i used to take his Stag for mot was so tight and clueless of mechanicals...
On the ramps both rear brakes slaves failed...car had done 400 miles since last mot and basically seals had dried up and failed when moved...he went ape at me saying i was making work for myself.


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For the general population I agree that's true. But owners of 40+ year old classic cars? Being lazy and keeping them on the road is pretty mutually exclusive. And there's nothing stopping anyone from having the MOT done, they're just saying it's down to you.
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It's too easy to think "I only just replaced those brake pads" and then finding that was 4 years ago.

Checking front lower A-frame bushes, which are normally under constant tension from the springs, could fool even some MOT testers, let alone your average classic car enthusiast.

A mate of mine had an MOT fail on his immaculate '69 VW Karmann Ghia, two weeks after winning a concours competition.

The shock absorber function test picked up an anomaly on one corner, which turned-out to be one of his steel wheels had cracked. The C-shaped crack was over half-way around, hidden behind the hub cap.
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Well hopefully they do...prob best to agree to disagree.
I got 4 cars here 3 24 years old and 1 25 and mechanically they are great partly due them being my hobby and the other part to mot testing bring items to my attention.
If i keep em another 15 years ill be 59yrs old not sure my back will be so enthuastic to yield the spanners lol.

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Oh to be only 59yrs old....
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Not yet lol...15 yrs togo....

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