Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

A chance to introduce yourself...
User avatar
bigpete8
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1465
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 12:27 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Sunlight Silver
Location: Tyne & Wear
Has thanked: 141 times
Been thanked: 133 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by bigpete8 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:52 pm

Luke has recently arranged rebuild for another member.
Sunlight Silver 231
Trying run on a budget to keep the noise level down - from the missus!

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:44 pm

He said that he believed it to be the side seal, but that the history with this particular company is really bad quality rebuilds where they would re-use parts they shouldn't and the amount of warranty issues is probably what lead to them going bust. Apparently the owner of that company has also gone awol.

He expected that the rotors and housings would likely be in poor conditions being that the motor has done 106k miles and had a very likely poor rebuild.

The suggestion was the swap the engine with a low mileage one, or to go to a rebuild company that doesnt charge any extra regardless of engine condition, with the former likely being alot cheaper.

User avatar
ChrisHolmes
Committee Member
Committee Member
Posts: 20123
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:04 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cheltenham
Has thanked: 5606 times
Been thanked: 2567 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by ChrisHolmes » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Talk to BigPete @ Boston Rotary he has a good used engine not even run in properly yet which may be available, but he quick.
AB Bucket seats and 5 point harnesses
Street Ported 231
Light weight Flywheel
Tein MonoSports with EDFC Active
Racing Beat F&R ARBs
Racing Brake 4 Pot Front Calipers
Racing Brake two piece slotted & drilled discs
LED Rear Lights
LED 3rd Brake light with blink effect
MazdaSpeed skirts
Safety Devices Full cage
Royal Steering wheel
Mishimoto Catch Tank

User avatar
Yorindesarin
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 2983
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:40 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cider Country
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 376 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Yorindesarin » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:22 pm

Yeah I was considering that who it was they may not be the best. Shame really. I'd be onto big Pete or even Luke himself as he sometimes has knowledge of decent engines kicking about.
The Red 8:

Racing beat Revi, Tein street basis z coilovers, RRP Mk2 Coils (and one Mk3), Stock catback, Cruise Control (Zoom Zoom).

For whats pending... See here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=81689

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm

Bigpete @ boston only has a 190 engine, was really hoping for a 230 :(

User avatar
v-rex
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 917
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:24 pm
RX-8: PZ
Colour: Brilliant Black
Location: Pinner, NW London
Has thanked: 519 times
Been thanked: 193 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by v-rex » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:43 pm

bigpete8 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:52 pm
Luke has recently arranged rebuild for another member.
I've recently had a rebuild done through Luke (outsourced to TPS) and I'm very happy with how it all went. There are some threads on it in the members area. Luke has the option for him just to take your engine, get it rebuilt, and then bring it back and fit it, so can save you some travel and transport costs, especially as the car is not running currently.

He might be able to source you a good engine as well, if you go down that route, but these are getting harder to find and of course especially hard if you wanted one that was already ported. I see you've also talked to BigPete, who I've not used personally, but I only hear great things.

In terms of the engine, if you are thinking of the rebuild, you can always get the rebuilder to look at the engine and see if anything is salvageable. If not then you have to go find the bits, but you may be able to save some of it and keeps the costs lower. It does sound like it's not looking good though, but always worth a try.

Edit: I see it is running. Oops. Please ignore my comment on me saying it's a non-runner...

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:52 pm

v-rex wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:43 pm
bigpete8 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:52 pm
Luke has recently arranged rebuild for another member.
I've recently had a rebuild done through Luke (outsourced to TPS) and I'm very happy with how it all went. There are some threads on it in the members area. Luke has the option for him just to take your engine, get it rebuilt, and then bring it back and fit it, so can save you some travel and transport costs, especially as the car is not running currently.

He might be able to source you a good engine as well, if you go down that route, but these are getting harder to find and of course especially hard if you wanted one that was already ported. I see you've also talked to BigPete, who I've not used personally, but I only hear great things.

In terms of the engine, if you are thinking of the rebuild, you can always get the rebuilder to look at the engine and see if anything is salvageable. If not then you have to go find the bits, but you may be able to save some of it and keeps the costs lower. It does sound like it's not looking good though, but always worth a try.

Edit: I see it is running. Oops. Please ignore my comment on me saying it's a non-runner...
It's running on 1 rotor at the moment! And even that one doesn't seem amazing!

Front rotor: 5.5,5.2,5.4
Rear rotor: 3.4,4.2,3.0

He thinks he can source me an engine, so fingers crossed :).

User avatar
v-rex
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 917
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:24 pm
RX-8: PZ
Colour: Brilliant Black
Location: Pinner, NW London
Has thanked: 519 times
Been thanked: 193 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by v-rex » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:46 am

Great. Luke will make sure you're sorted.

I am impressed your engine runs with those numbers in the rear. I know it's a bridge so will show lower comp numbers in general but still impressive it runs.

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:35 pm

Luke replaced the engine today and it runs like a dream now!

Should have heard it before it was hurrendous. Sorting MOT next week then were good to go!
These users thanked the author Iantheace for the post (total 3):
ChrisHolmes (Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:36 pm) • Vj4sothername (Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:40 pm) • v-rex (Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:13 pm)

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:13 pm

Had to break the car now, used it for first time after luke put a new engine in, and the engine blew to bits :(, luke had a look, it literally blew the end off the spark plug 5 miles into a new engine :(.

User avatar
exiled--viking
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1614
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:34 pm
Has thanked: 206 times
Been thanked: 375 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by exiled--viking » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:27 pm

#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o :(
WAS THE WINNER OF THE 2015 EUROPEAN ROTOR STOCK BEST RX~8 in Show ( Won me 40 trophy"s the Beast is Now Sold A New Beast To Be Built SOON :banghead: ) new car MX5 Now Called the SHARK 8)

User avatar
casey
Committee Member
Committee Member
Posts: 9965
Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:14 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Titanium Grey
Location: Colchester
Has thanked: 1247 times
Been thanked: 1465 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by casey » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:56 pm

OMG :shock:

So sorry to hear of your experience. Just 5 miles, not even time to get the engine warm either :(
Club Secretary
Essex Rotary Full Bridgeport

Seibon Carbon Fibre Bonnet
"Racing Brake" front calipers, Racing Beat (RB) ARB's F&R, RB REVI intake, full RB Stainless Steel Exhaust & Mani, 20mm Eibach spacers, KOYO Ali Rad, Lightened Fly, Tein MonoFlex coilovers & strut brace, Axial short-shifter, BHR Coils & Engine Mounts, Greddy Sump
Federal 595RS-R or Rainsport 3

User avatar
v-rex
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 917
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:24 pm
RX-8: PZ
Colour: Brilliant Black
Location: Pinner, NW London
Has thanked: 519 times
Been thanked: 193 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by v-rex » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:38 pm

Iantheace wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:13 pm
Had to break the car now, used it for first time after luke put a new engine in, and the engine blew to bits :(, luke had a look, it literally blew the end off the spark plug 5 miles into a new engine :(.
OMG. Really sorry to hear this.

350matt
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1697
Joined: Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Strato Blue
Location: Northants
Has thanked: 24 times
Been thanked: 159 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by 350matt » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:30 pm

So the end of the plug fell into the engine and took it out?

Owch

thats really unfortunate

bigpete
Forum Trader
Forum Trader
Posts: 5140
Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:20 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Custom
Location: Boston Lincs PE20 2NZ
Has thanked: 495 times
Been thanked: 257 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by bigpete » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:53 pm

350matt wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:30 pm
So the end of the plug fell into the engine and took it out?

Owch

thats really unfortunate
Possibly fake plugs I’ve seen a few now that have taken engines out.
Bigpete

Comp testing, parts for sale and fitting service, Servicing
Non runners bought for cash.
Contact: 07932678556
Location: Boston Linc's

http://paypal.me/bostonrotary

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BostonRotary

https://www.facebook.com/BostonRotary

User avatar
SprintRX8
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 344
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:47 pm
RX-8: 231
Location: Sutton Surrey.
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 44 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by SprintRX8 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:52 pm

If that’s the case who supplied the plugs?.
These users thanked the author SprintRX8 for the post:
SmuttyHutty (Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 pm)
13BLT Renesis Rotary powered Dolomite Sprint in the making😏.
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked.and going Supercharged.

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:19 am

The plugs were genuine NGKs picked up from euro car parts at full retail. Not really sure what’s caused it, but the car reported a misfire, and then 3 miles later, boom. The end of the plug is physicall missing, I’m guessing shredded in the engine.

Since it happened the dash is lit up like an Xmas tree. Both air bag lights, the steering , the alternator all have warnings.

It’s a nightmare.......

User avatar
Yorindesarin
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 2983
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:40 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cider Country
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 376 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Yorindesarin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:10 am

You know ECP can't garuntee those plugs being genuine? Due to the fact much like dealers their suppliers could be getting them from dodgy sources without knowing it.. Presumably though Luke would've said if they were fakes. Such a shame regardless.
The Red 8:

Racing beat Revi, Tein street basis z coilovers, RRP Mk2 Coils (and one Mk3), Stock catback, Cruise Control (Zoom Zoom).

For whats pending... See here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=81689

User avatar
SprintRX8
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 344
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:47 pm
RX-8: 231
Location: Sutton Surrey.
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 44 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by SprintRX8 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:11 am

Did it have a misfire before the rebuild?.
13BLT Renesis Rotary powered Dolomite Sprint in the making😏.
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked.and going Supercharged.

User avatar
ChrisHolmes
Committee Member
Committee Member
Posts: 20123
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:04 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cheltenham
Has thanked: 5606 times
Been thanked: 2567 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by ChrisHolmes » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:30 am

Yorindesarin wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:10 am
You know ECP can't garuntee those plugs being genuine? Due to the fact much like dealers their suppliers could be getting them from dodgy sources without knowing it.. Presumably though Luke would've said if they were fakes. Such a shame regardless.
An unfounded statement these days Ollie. ECP will be buying direct from NGK these days but I acknowledge that many years ago some of their sources and products may well have been suspect.
AB Bucket seats and 5 point harnesses
Street Ported 231
Light weight Flywheel
Tein MonoSports with EDFC Active
Racing Beat F&R ARBs
Racing Brake 4 Pot Front Calipers
Racing Brake two piece slotted & drilled discs
LED Rear Lights
LED 3rd Brake light with blink effect
MazdaSpeed skirts
Safety Devices Full cage
Royal Steering wheel
Mishimoto Catch Tank

User avatar
ChrisHolmes
Committee Member
Committee Member
Posts: 20123
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:04 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cheltenham
Has thanked: 5606 times
Been thanked: 2567 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by ChrisHolmes » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:31 am

Iantheace wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:19 am
The plugs were genuine NGKs picked up from euro car parts at full retail. Not really sure what’s caused it, but the car reported a misfire, and then 3 miles later, boom. The end of the plug is physicall missing, I’m guessing shredded in the engine.

Since it happened the dash is lit up like an Xmas tree. Both air bag lights, the steering , the alternator all have warnings.

It’s a nightmare.......
Get all the plugs sent back to NGK for failure analysis, you have nothing to lose in doing that.
These users thanked the author ChrisHolmes for the post:
bigpete8 (Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:37 am)
AB Bucket seats and 5 point harnesses
Street Ported 231
Light weight Flywheel
Tein MonoSports with EDFC Active
Racing Beat F&R ARBs
Racing Brake 4 Pot Front Calipers
Racing Brake two piece slotted & drilled discs
LED Rear Lights
LED 3rd Brake light with blink effect
MazdaSpeed skirts
Safety Devices Full cage
Royal Steering wheel
Mishimoto Catch Tank

User avatar
SmuttyHutty
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1963
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:45 am
RX-8: 192
Colour: Nordic Green
Location: Suffolk/Cambs border
Has thanked: 158 times
Been thanked: 136 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by SmuttyHutty » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:04 am

ChrisHolmes wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:31 am
Iantheace wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:19 am
The plugs were genuine NGKs picked up from euro car parts at full retail. Not really sure what’s caused it, but the car reported a misfire, and then 3 miles later, boom. The end of the plug is physicall missing, I’m guessing shredded in the engine.

Since it happened the dash is lit up like an Xmas tree. Both air bag lights, the steering , the alternator all have warnings.

It’s a nightmare.......
Get all the plugs sent back to NGK for failure analysis, you have nothing to lose in doing that.
I know that the plugs are recessed into the chamber, but could not the damage to the plug have been caused by a piece of apex seal being mashed into the plug rather than a bit of the plug dropping off and mashing the engine?

Iantheace
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 5 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Iantheace » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:17 am

The car reported a misfire sometimes before it had a new engine. But being that the old engine had low compression it’s not that surprising.

We replaced everything but the d585 coils when we replaced the engine, Ngk plugs, magnecor leads, new everything on the engine (didn’t transfer any old parts).

The only things that were not changed are the map (which was for a bridge port, but Luke thought this would be fine), and the d585 coils.

I guess I could try contacting NGK and seeing what they say

User avatar
SprintRX8
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 344
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:47 pm
RX-8: 231
Location: Sutton Surrey.
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 44 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by SprintRX8 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:11 am

Your complaint would be with ECP
As they supplied the Spark Plugs.

If you still have the D585 I’ll get them tested.

Do you still have the old Spark plugs.
Could you post some pictures of them.
13BLT Renesis Rotary powered Dolomite Sprint in the making😏.
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked.and going Supercharged.

User avatar
Yorindesarin
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 2983
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:40 pm
RX-8: 231
Colour: Velocity Red
Location: Cider Country
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 376 times

Re: Just got an RX8, but it seems broken and my garage dont know hot to fix it.....

Post by Yorindesarin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:13 am

ChrisHolmes wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:30 am
Yorindesarin wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:10 am
You know ECP can't garuntee those plugs being genuine? Due to the fact much like dealers their suppliers could be getting them from dodgy sources without knowing it.. Presumably though Luke would've said if they were fakes. Such a shame regardless.
An unfounded statement these days Ollie. ECP will be buying direct from NGK these days but I acknowledge that many years ago some of their sources and products may well have been suspect.
Ah that's good to know! It's not as if I was directly blaming them more so their suppliers.
These users thanked the author Yorindesarin for the post:
ChrisHolmes (Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:16 am)
The Red 8:

Racing beat Revi, Tein street basis z coilovers, RRP Mk2 Coils (and one Mk3), Stock catback, Cruise Control (Zoom Zoom).

For whats pending... See here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=81689

Post Reply

Return to “Hello.. I'm new here..”