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Post by orbist » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:48 pm

OK, well I figured its been a while since spending anything on the car, so I've always fancied these and just submitted quote request from japanparts...
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Post by AW8 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:06 pm

I fancied those- about time you made your car stand out ! :lol:

Dare I ask how much?
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Post by orbist » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:18 pm

LOL :lol:

I imagine by the time VAT, import and shipping ~ a grand! (money burns a hole in my pocket!)
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Post by AW8 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:21 pm

:shock: I'll not be getting them this week then.
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Post by Weirdfish » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:22 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock:


Wow, my guess was way off :shock:
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Post by orbist » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:40 pm

750 for the dials, but it also includes the logic and sensors etc, as the oil pressure and oil temp aren't normally available (so I believe) - as we know the pressure 'gauge' standard with the car is binary and only the water (coolant) temperature is part of the standard sensor make up.

I'm waiting for confirmation from japanparts on shipping etc.

It was either them or a set of 20" rims, and lowering kit - but there's nothing wrong with the rims I have!!!
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Post by Weirdfish » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:07 pm

I was interested but not at that price, I've got a cat back to save up for :)


The binary oil gauge is a real bugbear of mine. :?
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Post by orbist » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:20 pm

Yeah, for a car that you need to check the oil on so often, some extra gauges would have been useful from the start!

There's one other set, made by PTP, but its just the gauge pod, then you have to populate with your own DEFI gauges and sensors etc.

The pod is $350 on its own, the gauges about $250 so it all works out about the same price...

Just hope japanparts can provide the instructions in translated form!
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Post by orbist » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:45 pm

£760 including shipping - but then need to add VAT / import tax on when they arrive. Decided to go ahead, now just looking for someone who can translate the JP instructions for me :?
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Post by AW8 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:38 pm

Baz,

The staff there can type in english as I have queried parts before with them by email.

:idea: Tell them you are considering another set up but will buy if they tranlsate instructions into UK text for you.

:idea: BTW I heard that someone once recieved some non taxable free goods from abroad sent as a gift alongside a small purchase.
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Post by orbist » Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:49 pm

AW8 wrote:Baz,

The staff there can type in english as I have queried parts before with them by email.

:idea: Tell them you are considering another set up but will buy if they tranlsate instructions into UK text for you.

:idea: BTW I heard that someone once recieved some non taxable free goods from abroad sent as a gift alongside a small purchase.
I asked them and they said they don't otherwise they'd be spending all their time translating. I have a couple of people on the US forum that are happy to translate for me and a cypriate that has installed them and has offered any help if I need it.

I've already had some gifts from Borla and Carsoptions (sorry the MS replica wing was a 'sample product' ;)
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Post by AW8 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:33 am

Oh well - worth a try. Id want uk instructions for that price but I'm unaware of anyone else that supplies them if you have help then that's good. :)
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Post by RobDickinson » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:30 pm

I thought all the data they would need would be on the CAN bus?

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Post by orbist » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:31 pm

There isn't an oil pressure sensor as far as I'm aware, just a binary ok, not ok sensor. Haven't seen an oil temp reading on the CANscan either - but that may just be due to the software not knowing the parameter.
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Post by orbist » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:45 pm

Well after 4 days with a Micra, just about to go pick up the 8 with everything installed... pics will follow :)
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Post by AnilS » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:16 pm

Barry do you lose the centre speaker if these dials are fitted?

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Post by Weirdfish » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:04 pm

Hurry up with the pics :D
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Post by orbist » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:39 pm

Here you go, a couple of quick snaps via my phone on the way home.

Not best quality, will get some more soon.

Anil - No, it sits just where the satnav screen would be.


As I suspected the oil pressure fluctuates madly!
Clutch In, sits down about 1.5 kPa, dropping down as the engine revs dip a bit at idle - sets the alarm off!
Under gentle acceleration, revs, up to about 4 kPa, and max so far about 5.5 kPa at about 7K RPM.

Water seems to peak about 110C, the middle of the normal dial covers 60 to 110C !!!

The oil temperature so far up to 90C but takes A LONG time to get there, water was up to normal, but oil still not registering (50C is minimum on dial)

Need a good run to check out peaks etc.

Look sweet though and the startup and switch sequence is lovelrly ;)
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Post by AnilS » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:21 pm

Thnaks Barry. Look very nice, I might be tempted myself :D .

Water temp @ 110 deg C? Thats steam then :?: :lol:

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Post by Foxy Lady » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:33 pm

Barry - what do they all do???? and why is there a christmas tree in the middle of one???

What happens to the other dials - are they redundant?

(so many questons! :lol: )
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Post by orbist » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:34 pm

LOL. OK, so checking and it peaks about 100! Still steam - but I guess the coolant in it changed the boiling point?

Interesting with both temp gauges though, and what happens when on a blast...

Driving round town etc the water goes up to around 90, 95 and the oil seems to peak around 90.

Go for a blast and get the oil coolers doing their stuff, and I guess the main grill on the radiator and both do their job well! The water comes down to 75ish and the oil 70!

Now of course, my INGs front end has bigger holes for both oil cooler and the GRILL! With no fog lights either, there is no restriction on oil cooler air so maybe they are working better than stock?

I guess when Anil gets his we can compare :shock: :wink:
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Post by orbist » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:39 pm

Foxy Lady wrote:Barry - what do they all do???? and why is there a christmas tree in the middle of one???

What happens to the other dials - are they redundant?

(so many questons! :lol: )

LOL!

The one on the left shows the water temperature, the same thing as the temperature gauge in the main instrument cluster - but instead of showing a steak - NORMAL - middle position, it shows the actual temp.

Middle one is the oil pressure, again as per the dial in the cluster but again it shows the actual pressure in kilo Pascals, rather than a steady 'ok'

Last one is the most important and missing from the car in stock form, the actual oil sump temperature. In theory you shouldn't hammer the engine until its up to normal temperature, which actually takes about 10 minutes from cold! So where I've been using the normal temperature gauge to show when its safe to boot it - its really not :?

As for xmas tree... lol you beat druck to it - thats a reflection of the yellow vanilla air freshner hanging off the rear view mirror!

See the pics of my wheels outside Hurlsey House in the pics thread for more yellow xmas trees ;)
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Post by Foxy Lady » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:41 pm

So are your standard dials redundant then, the oil and water temp? Are they still there? Cant imagine it.
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Post by orbist » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:47 pm

Still there and still do as they always have done, i.e. not much :)
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Post by HypoThermia » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:04 pm

AnilS wrote:Water temp @ 110 deg C? Thats steam then :?: :lol:
In a closed system it wont get a chance to go to steam - the expansion required by the gas would need an equivalent change of volume in the liquid water. Liquids don't compress very well compared to gases so the tradeoff can't happen.

It just gets hotter (and looks very spectacular when it fails).

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