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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 7:30 pm

Hello RX8 owners club hive mind.

I've just had some used lowering springs fitted today (amongst other things) but when I got home I noticed that they look quite odd- the front of the car is slammed but the rear has a lot of clearance between the wheel and the arch. I wouldn't have thought that they would need settling in as they have been used previously.
I'm quite gutted about it as I was hoping to get the car back today at the stage where it is very close to how I want it- I had 20mm spacers fitted, rotary revs D585Rs, a high flow cat and a Racing Beat Revi intake plus scoop installed. This has now taken the shine off of what should have been a very happy day. The work was done at a very reputable specialist. The springs came on (stock) shocks already. I did not know the make of springs at time of purchase but was told by the specialist that they were H&Rs. They are red.

Has anyone had any experience with this happening to them and does anyone have a solution for me before I buy replacement springs and have to pay out for the job to be done again?
Any advice welcome.
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 7:32 pm

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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by Clive » Wed May 17, 2017 7:48 pm

I have seen this exercise carried out by experts before #-o .

The springs that are on the front should be fitted to the back and then rears should be fitted to the front =D> .

p.s. shouldn't have to pay again to get the work carried out correctly especially as the vehicle has now been rendered unsafe to drive.
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by Goobie » Wed May 17, 2017 7:54 pm

Is it the same on both sides?

Could just be a case of the rear arms being bolted up with the arms fully dropped, therefore once lowered back on the ground the bushes are maxed out trying to twist pass their natural siting point.

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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 7:57 pm

I thought that might be the case after reading some other related posts. When I brought it up, I was told that the springs are completely different and cannot be put on the wrong way around.
I do want to make it completely clear that the specialist in question did NOT put the springs on the shocks, they just changed the set of shocks over.
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 7:58 pm

Yeah it's the same on both sides
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Post by 13Black » Wed May 17, 2017 8:10 pm

Any pics of the springs using your camera with the flash on? Ideally of the writing on the springs but just looking at the springs as they are coiled should be enough.
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 8:23 pm

First pic is rear shock, second is front

Pretty sure they have been put on the wrong way around- the springs on the rear shocks were actually sliding up and down when off the car. Wish I'd thought a bit more about that before they were fitted. Could have saved some labour.
Will I be able to re-use the springs?
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by 13Black » Wed May 17, 2017 8:28 pm

Yeah even lowering springs should be captive in the shocks between the top mount and the spring perch. The rears should be longer so sounds like the shorter front springs are on the rears.

Surprised they were still fitted like that though :/ would have rang a few alarm bells I'd have thought.

But yes they should be fine to reuse.
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 8:30 pm

Yeah I can even see the different in spring shape. Really wish I had spotted this before!!
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 8:33 pm

I messaged them and I'm praying that they will give me a good rate so I can get this rectified. I'm pretty low on funds after getting the work done today
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by PeteH » Wed May 17, 2017 8:58 pm

Oh dear! The reason the front sits low is because the rear springs are considerably softer than the front springs. So if you put a rear spring on the front it becomes very compressed. That's why the top 4 coils on your front strut are fully squashed (coilbound).

The "expert" should have spotted that immediately. I wonder if the person who sold you the shocks was selling them because his car looked odd with them on, and he didn't realize why :-k

As Clive says, your car is dangerous to drive. Be careful if you drive it back to the shop.
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Post by 13Black » Wed May 17, 2017 9:10 pm

Yeah those springs on your front shocks are rear springs, clearly. The top ~1/3rd of the rear springs are closely wound to make them a progressive rate giving you a better ride (well, if fitted correctly that is).

Just so people don't go grabbing pitchforks, specialists are made up of various employees so it's quite possible that the top dogs at this firm weren't involved and the job was handed to a grunt like myself, as would be the sensible, cost effective thing to do. Got to have them learn somehow :thumright:
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Post by PeteH » Wed May 17, 2017 9:24 pm

(Yes, agreed. But the boss should now step in and say "sorry, we should have spotted that, we'll sort it out for free....").

In their defense, if they are just given some struts and asked to fit them then they have just done what they were told to do. I suppose. :roll:
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:24 pm

The person I bought them off was breaking his track car. Getting the parts was hassle enough- once paid, the guy was very difficult to get hold of. Finally got them after a month and now this.
The boss was doing the work on the car and did the front end work. One of the employees working on the rear actually spotted the sliding spring in the rear shock but was told it's normal.
I really like the work they have done for me in the past and also the other work that was done today. They are my trusted mechanics for the car and have been since I got it at the start of the year. They are a very well respected specialist with a very good reputation. I'm sure it must have just been an off day. I'm pretty disappointed though as I was hoping to have it all done today.
After I messaged about the issue I was told that it would be fine to drive before getting it rectified though which I'm a bit worried about now.
Any ideas roughly what a mechanic would charge to sort this out?
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:26 pm

I did state when booking the car in that the shocks would need a straight swap with a set with lowered springs already on them
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:28 pm

I just wish I had had the opportunity to have the springs swapped around for a few extra quid when they were off the car rather than having to pay to have the whole job done again
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Re: Lowering Springs don't sit right

Post by PeteH » Wed May 17, 2017 9:31 pm

If you could wait until some evening next week I'll do it for free....
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Post by 13Black » Wed May 17, 2017 9:34 pm

So they're charging you again to swap them over? :/

Hay Pete, I'm 5 miles up the road from the OP next weekend, we'll get some tea and biscuits on the go.
Around your neck of the woods I'd hazard a guess at it costing around £250 to swap them.
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:39 pm

Oh wow! Pete, that is hugely generous of you!
I'm based in south east London- where are you?
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:41 pm

I asked how much it would be for them to put it right for me but I didn't get a response- it was about 8.15pm though
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Post by PeteH » Wed May 17, 2017 9:45 pm

During the week I'm SW London (Woking). So it's no big deal to drive to you. Pm me your address and phone number and we'll sort out a suitable date.

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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Hi 13Black- thank you too. Isn't Leicestershire a bit more than 5 miles from SE26 though?
I work in hospitality so I'm not normally free at the weekends either. Midweek is good though. Thank you again chaps!
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PeteH wrote:If you could wait until some evening next week I'll do it for free....
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Post by EarlGrey » Wed May 17, 2017 10:00 pm

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