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After burning through my redstuff pads surprisingly quickly I have new plain discs and M1144s all-round on the way, plus a set of caliper refurb kits for a full on brake refresh.

Of course this has led me to consider changing the brake hoses for aftermarket Teflon/stainless items, but being a sceptic at heart I wonder if they are actually worth it.

Can anyone vouch for them either way - do they give a more solid feel or are the standard hoses already good? Were you disappointed at any lack of improvement? I understand this could be tricky as they are usually installed along with other brake components and so the effect not necessarily accountable, but any feedback (from direct experience) would be greatly appreciated.

I already know what set I would use if I decide to go down the route so please let's avoid a 'these ones are better than those ones' discussion.

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i've had them on a few cars and i didn't really notice any difference , just nice to have IMO
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My understanding is that you only get the benefit after the brake fluid has gotten quite hot, as in this state it makes the standard lines softer and gives a squishy feel. The stainless steel obviously won't get softer at those temperatures and doesn't go squishy
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I swapped to stainless lines I imported from Racing Brake US. Fitted them along with doing a flush with ATE Super Racing Blue and also the Cusco brave with master cylinder support.

Immediately the brake feel was incredible compared to before. Honestly don't know which of the 3 items it was down to, or a combination of old fluid squishy hoses and a flexing firewall..... I was happy with what I spent on upgrading (and it was a fun job) but I don't have any objective proof that it was the hoses. They sure are shiny though!


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For the relatively small outlay of around £60, it's a no brainer, any rubber that's been exposed to the elements and internally heated lots of times will perish.

Fit and forget, and enjoy the confident pedal :)
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The theory is that if the stock hoses are old they are soggy and expand and contract more than they should, re-inforced teflon lined hoses do not so again in theory hydraulic pressure should remain higher thus firmer pedal that shouldn`t deteriorate.

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Yeah I have read the often dramatized theory behind it - the rubber hoses bulging with wasted force every time you apply the pedal. However this is always from companies that sell uprated hoses. The standard ones will have some form of internal braiding already and I wonder how much they do really expand and detract from the pedal feel
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Murf wrote:They sure are shiny though!


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On a more serious note I have had them in bikes and it is definitely noticeable through the levers, so the theory is at least correct, can't speak for cars though
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I think the cars actual brake set up governs the result - with remote servo`s and brake bars, even some panel flexing where a direct acting servo is sited can affect the pedal action - I only ever used Goodridge hoses once on my RS Turbo and that did noticeably firm up the pedal but I also had converted the brakes to Cossie discs & pads.

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Do it. I immediately loved my brakes when I made the change. The main advantage I felt was in modulating brake pressure in the middle region between full lock/ABS and moderate braking. It gave me much more confidence piling on the brakes on track. More vibration and such carries back through to your foot, so I can see why they don't do it for normal cars. It might be too honest for the typical driver. The converse was that it made it a bit harder to heel toe when not deploying all the anchors as the pedal didn't seem to sink quite as far.

Disclosure: The hoses went on with a fluid refresh, but no change in pads.

In contrast, my GT86 brakes are not quite so crystal clear and those hoses are a year old. It's on my possible upgrades list.
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Post by Liam22 »

Phil, it is beholden on you to do a fluid change and then hose change for a true before/after test. You know you want to!

FWIW, my other car came with Goodridge hoses as standard fitment which surprised me.
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I changed mine and did the clutch line at the same time.
Noticed a difference right away. More solid feel.
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I found the attached PDF which appears to be an internal test report from Goodridge comparing stainless/Teflon and rubber hoses. Unfortunately it came from some form of [urlw=http://www.gotyournose.com/goodridge/fr ... rubber.pdf]marketing company/website developer's site[/urlw] and not the actual Goodridge site. There is always the possibility it was created as a mock-up however it bears the Head of Engineering's name and the data is at least plausible. It may have been submitted as an example as part of a design contract, nonetheless it makes for interesting reading.

Anyway thanks for the replies, the curiosity was too much to bear so I have bought a set :) (not goodridge)
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I felt a difference when fitting mine, this was on their own as I'd already upgraded all the brakes and refurbed the calipers the week before. After a good half hour B road hoot the pedal never softened and was lovely and solid. Also I got the, in red and they look great lol.
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Apologies for rekindling an old thread, but I'm pondering doing the exact same thing... Firstly I'm going to replace my Discs and Pads; Discs will likely be OEM Spec from ECP, and currently looking at getting the Mintex FR Pads (they have replaced the 1144's according to Merlin Motorsport). Finally I'm thinking of swapping to braided hoses - something like https://www.goodridge.co.uk/products/ca ... -2003-2012 .

I'm hoping to sharpen up the braking experience on my RX-8 without going too wild with an upgrade. Anybody got any experience with the above, or recommend a good Disc to go with? Thanks :)
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I recommend the brake hoses from HEL.
They are a great fit and you can choose any colour if it matters to you.
We have fitted at least 10 sets and never had an issue.
The beauty of the teflon brake hose is that you will get sharper braking when the fluid gets really hot and you are hard on the brakes as the oem ones tend to expand.
Also i have many times seen oem hoses to coolapse from the inside causing the caliper to stick closed.
Brake disks and pads i would recommend the EBC disks with the EBC bluestuff pads.
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ECP disks,even Brembos,never mind Eicher or Padgid will get warped after two track sessions.
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Thank you thatturborx8
Brake disks and pads i would recommend the EBC disks with the EBC bluestuff pads.
I'd not considered these. Are these suitable for everyday/fast-road setup? Unlikely to track too much, but just want confident and sharp braking performance.
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Yes,i am very happy with them
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