Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:52 am

Whats a PPF??

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Vj4sothername » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:53 am

Power plant Frame.

Connects the gear box to the diff. The gearbox end is adjustable and it needs to be within spec.
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:55 am

Hmmm good to know, is that the same on the R3?

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Vj4sothername » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:05 pm

I don't have an R3 so I'm unsure.

I would assume it does. It's easy to find. Massive bar running from the end of the gearbox to the diff.
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Post by Leck3000 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:41 pm

Ok, will check it out sometime.

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Goobie » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:28 pm

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Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:17 am
Just wanted to weigh in as my shifter has now landed at long last!!

So clearly and as previously advised it has had a slight revision. There is an addition of an o-ring and from what i can see the top part is slightly shorter and from what i understand the issue area. The overall length of the mounting/middle plastic part is about the same. I haven't a vernier on had currently but a measuring stick is telling me about 23mm but the lower section appears to have the taken the extra depth instead of the top, hope that makes sense.

The bottom part now has no flats and spins freely 360°

I did want to fit this at the same time as adjusting my 3rd & 4th position but i dont think i can wait any longer and it may be a few weeks yet before i have the enthusiasm to go underside so i will report back once fitted and hopefully all works well.
Thanks for posting up the new version.

Good revision's by the looks of it, fancy swapping with mine? haha. The lock out plate section is thinner too just above the spring, go back to page one and your see mines thicker.

If you was local, would of happily given you a hand to fit it.
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:43 pm

Goobie wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:28 pm
Leck3000 wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:17 am
Just wanted to weigh in as my shifter has now landed at long last!!

So clearly and as previously advised it has had a slight revision. There is an addition of an o-ring and from what i can see the top part is slightly shorter and from what i understand the issue area. The overall length of the mounting/middle plastic part is about the same. I haven't a vernier on had currently but a measuring stick is telling me about 23mm but the lower section appears to have the taken the extra depth instead of the top, hope that makes sense.

The bottom part now has no flats and spins freely 360°

I did want to fit this at the same time as adjusting my 3rd & 4th position but i dont think i can wait any longer and it may be a few weeks yet before i have the enthusiasm to go underside so i will report back once fitted and hopefully all works well.
Thanks for posting up the new version.

Good revision's by the looks of it, fancy swapping with mine? haha. The lock out plate section is thinner too just above the spring, go back to page one and your see mines thicker.

If you was local, would of happily given you a hand to fit it.
Yeah i had noticed it as well, just a few slight amendments.

Thanks for the thought, should be pretty simple i'm sure. It would be nice to meet up and compare cars sometime. Im a sussex boy myself and come back down to see the seagulls and friends a handful of times a year.

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:44 am

So i tried to fit the shifter over the weekend and the same issue persists even with the new design. With the lockout plate bolted down fully i can barely move the stick at all and have to back it off quite some way to get it to move enough to call it reasonable, something i am not happy to do. I also found that the reverse lockout was useless and i could engage reverse without depressing the gear lever, this really is an issue as i can see myself inadvertently selecting revers at a set of lights or something without being any the wiser. Whilst the plate has worn a little but bearing in mind i have only just hit 44k miles and there is no issue at all with the standard one there is no reasonable cop out on that.

All in all very disappointed, what should be a simple install and go product it is far from it. I have relayed my comments to my colleague in america who sourced it from Axial on my behalf and told him that unless they come up with a reasonable solution i want to return it for a full refund given that it is not fit for purpose at all.

Very sad to be disappointed like this, i had really hoped this would work well and was looking forward to a much better shifting experience.

TBC........

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by ChrisHolmes » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:08 pm

Daft question time no doubt but they have sent you the R3 version and not an S1 / S2 lever.
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:51 pm

I think they list it as an S2 but it was specified as an R3 model when it was ordered. Is there a difference? It is essentially the same as Goobie had with his purchased a couple of years back with some minor alterations for the latest version.

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by ChrisHolmes » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:39 pm

I stand to be corrected but I think the USA S2 RX8 is not an R3. I could be writing junk but I am sure if that is the case someone will post accordingly!
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Post by GreySilver Beast » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:14 pm

The R3 spec was offered in the States Chris :thumleft:
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Goobie » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:54 pm

They did do a run of the mill S2 and the R3, I wonder if there is a different gearbox between the two though or if you've just got unlucky and sent the wrong one?

As looking at the stop block ring thingy or whatever you want to call it, its really thin compared to my thick one.

That base section with the o-ring is a first I've seen on any shifter for a rx8? From googling back when I had my issues I have seen the guy who does them is fairly active and open to fixing issues.

Have you sent them a email with some pictures to see what they say?

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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by warpc0il » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:02 am

The MX-5 ND uses basically the same gearbox, which is why Mazda standardised on it for the S2, and also why the early S2's had issues with the synchromeshes, appearing to be made of chocolate when subjected to rotary revs.

People have looked to fit the ND shifter to the R3, but it doesn't work, for almost exactly the reasons that you describe.
I'm wondering if you've been sent an ND shifter by mistake, as they look very similar, at least at a glance.
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by ChrisHolmes » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:30 am

I wonder if it is the same gearbox but a different gear lever housing and external mechanism.
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Re: Axial Flow Short Shifter Issue, 6 Speed - R3 Now Modified Solution.

Post by Leck3000 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:33 am

Good points well made. I sent an email to my colleague first thing Monday as he dealt with Axial direct on my behalf and has passed on my explanation of issues but i am awaiting a reply........
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