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Post by goodeggbob » Fri May 15, 2020 1:24 pm

Good afternoon fellow wanklers. What i need some advice and suggestions on, is the following. I am a complete novice on this subject,so i will explain what i am trying to achieve. I have several cars that could do with a good mopping to get rid of years of road grime,oxidisation and general dullness,but the paint underneath is sound and rust free. I am however,very unsure of what machine/products to buy to get rid of the layer of faded paint.
I know that it is a matter of trial and error,buy any first hand experience of which machine/compounds etc,would be suitable would be much appreciated,thanks,rob.

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Post by mrspiller » Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm

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Post by Nicklaus » Fri May 15, 2020 1:36 pm

I was going to post exactly the same question last week.

I have purchased meguiars ultimate compound and was going to give it a go this weekend so can feedback results.


Also I wanted to know how much difference applying by machine has over by hand and whether it is worth getting a drill adapter?


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Post by mrspiller » Fri May 15, 2020 1:43 pm

Nicklaus wrote:I was going to post exactly the same question last week.

I have purchased meguiars ultimate compound and was going to give it a go this weekend so can feedback results.


Also I wanted to know how much difference applying by machine has over by hand and whether it is worth getting a drill adapter?


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I’m no expert but I don’t think the drill attachment would give you the correct weight to apply as you would get with a machine .
Watch a few you tube vids


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Post by Vj4sothername » Fri May 15, 2020 1:50 pm

Rob I've picked up a da Polisher to compound then polish mine. Happily to lend you it when i've had a go.

One of the things I found with mine was a clay bar made a big difference. You'd be amazed just how much Crud is on there even after multiple touchless and touch washes.
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Post by goodeggbob » Fri May 15, 2020 1:51 pm

Thanks for the replies, i was hoping that someone who has done this and had good results could give me some idea of which machine and compound they used. i know there are many variables,and an infinite number of machines,but i would rather just spend a bit more and do it once,thanks.

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Post by shroom » Fri May 15, 2020 2:05 pm

I wouldnt start trying to cut anything back without clay baring the car first Rob, get all the stuff off it then you can see just how much crud was on the paintwork.

I know your not specifically talking RX8 but be warned you can remove too much on corners and actually go down to primer, things like bonnet corners etc. The RX8 is pretty soft so much care is needed. But dont let this scare you it's not witchcraft !

As everyone else says get onto YouTube and see what people have done, it's the best way as you can actually see what their technique is rather than trying to read about it.

DA polishers are great and make life a lot easier, I like the dodo juice products and use their buff daddy DA.

One other piece of advice is try and keep it simple, dont worry about all the millions of products and keep it down to exactly what you intend to do. Specialist companies are better than off the shell products from Halfords but not always as clear on how to use and what is needed.

If we where not in lockdown as others had suggested I also have all the gear and could help. But since your locked up in the Welsh hills you will have to do it on your own ImageImage gloves and wellies style

Although not everyones favourite because its sold in halfords Meguiars offer lots of advice on their youtube channel and product is easy to come by. They also do offer detailing days for clubs to help learn about it.

How to clay bar your car -

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Post by Yorindesarin » Fri May 15, 2020 2:15 pm

As Tom said simplicity is best. Get yourself some traffic film remover and clay bar absolutely everywhere to remove contamination from the paint first. Using machines to polish makes life a lot easier and they tend to give you feedback on if you're applying incorrect pressure/polishing at a bad angle pretty quickly via the noise they make. I was looking to get a machine for polishing but I think I'm going to do it by hand the first time to get a really good feel for it. Also take into account you don't have to compound literally all over the car! Compounds are can be harsh and should only be used in very small amounts on very specific areas that require it depending on how harsh they are. Polish is what you want for general everywhere type work.

Sadlyt I can't detail what products to use as all I have is YT knowledge. As you yourself say theres a million ways to do the job at hand... And a million different youtube videos to boot... But it does give you a general idea for at least some product lines to look into.

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Post by GreySilver Beast » Fri May 15, 2020 3:56 pm

Mod Bit - Moved here Rob as your topic would be better within this section for everyone to see :thumleft:

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Post by shroom » Fri May 15, 2020 4:11 pm

Robs more hands on Nigel you should know that. Not the sit back and pay kinda guy

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Post by nightfire10 » Fri May 15, 2020 4:55 pm

Fancied buying a da and doing mine but I think the anniversary has a laqer over the paint anyone give any advice for this?
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Post by mrspiller » Fri May 15, 2020 5:06 pm

nightfire10 wrote:Fancied buying a da and doing mine but I think the anniversary has a laqer over the paint anyone give any advice for this?
Not really sure
Though most are lacquered
The kit I bought is brilliant
Around £130 with the Koch 3 polish kit and 5 heads
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Post by shroom » Fri May 15, 2020 5:56 pm

This is what I use, can buy them in s set like this or on it's own.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172920397904

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Post by shroom » Fri May 15, 2020 5:59 pm

nightfire10 wrote:Fancied buying a da and doing mine but I think the anniversary has a laqer over the paint anyone give any advice for this?
Pretty much every modern car will have a clear coat (lacquer) nothing strange in that but the rx8 from what people say is quite soft so you need to make sure you are gentle.

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Post by V8 Power » Fri May 15, 2020 6:08 pm

That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
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Post by mrspiller » Fri May 15, 2020 6:19 pm

V8 Power wrote:That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
V8 Power wrote:That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
Nope I think the lacquer is quite thick
As an example , many paint shops will paint a car
Flat it back with wet and dry then mop ( compound ) to get a perfect ( ish ) finish .
Have a look at junkman on ewe tube he explains it very well


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Post by shroom » Fri May 15, 2020 7:34 pm

mrspiller wrote:
V8 Power wrote:That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
V8 Power wrote:That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
Nope I think the lacquer is quite thick
As an example , many paint shops will paint a car
Flat it back with wet and dry then mop ( compound ) to get a perfect ( ish ) finish .
Have a look at junkman on ewe tube he explains it very well


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Yes exactly that I'm by no means any type of expert but with youtube at the ready you can learn a lot these days.

However your concern is not unjust the problem with heavily polishing cutting will always be less lacquer and someone going mad with a scratch and some t cut could cause some damage (yes I have done that myself) it's also hard on old cars as some resprays are not always the same and you can start cutting straight through the paint.

With a random orbital polisher it's never spinning in exactly the same spot so it's not the same as a drill or angle grinder type polisher, it's much safer and I would never use a drill attachment or such for anything you care about. Some headlight kits come with them.



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Post by Craig010 » Fri May 15, 2020 8:32 pm

V8 Power wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:08 pm
That set looks really good value.
How does it work with the lacquer then, do you actually take it off during the polishing process and if so does it then need re lacquering?
When compounding (or polishing) a small amount of lacquer is removed in order to remove the imperfections embedded within the paint. Automotive clearcoat (lacquer) is much thicker than the base coat beneath, so a car can be safely machine polished quite a few times before you wear through. The risk with softer paints (like on the RX8) is that it's easier to remove too much lacquer and get into the base coat (which would then require the panel the either be re-lacquered or re-painted). That being said, you'd have to throw all caution to the wind and get in hard with a really aggressive compound and buffing pad to go through that much clearcoat on your average car in a single session. The risk is obviously greater with cars that are machined regularly, or cars that have had previous paintwork (as the depth of the clearcoat is much less known, and can vary greatly).

Hope that helps. Polishing can be a bit of a minefield!

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Post by goodeggbob » Fri May 15, 2020 8:36 pm

The main reason for asking this question is because there is a chance that i could get away with a bottom half respray on my black capri,as the only repairs i have had to make are below the pinstripe where the panels change their shape,so would never be seen in the same light.
So ,if i could restore above that line,colour matching should not be a problem. I have got my sprayer mate coming to have a look,so will see what he says,or i could ask for Nigels maintainance man to have a peek.
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Post by Yorindesarin » Fri May 15, 2020 8:51 pm

If the top half of the car manages to clean up nicely then you'd definitely be fine Rob. Give it a good decontamination wash as has been said you'd be surprised at how much contamination can be in your paint work and how much of a difference it makes! Clay bar and traffic film remover then your normal wash routine and the paint will probably already be looking a lot better. Then you can figure out what you need to do from there, how much compounding may be required etc.

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Post by mrspiller » Fri May 15, 2020 9:07 pm

goodeggbob wrote:The main reason for asking this question is because there is a chance that i could get away with a bottom half respray on my black capri,as the only repairs i have had to make are below the pinstripe where the panels change their shape,so would never be seen in the same light.
So ,if i could restore above that line,colour matching should not be a problem. I have got my sprayer mate coming to have a look,so will see what he says,or i could ask for Nigels maintainance man to have a peek.
Easy peezy
Your painter will tell you that , he’lll also mop it to suit if he’s confident it will be fine


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