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RRP Turbo Kit Development
Hey guys,
Thought this would be of interest, I won't put a huge blurb here, I'd rather update it all in the website with any comments and questions you have, so please have a look and comment below:
This is work in progress and I'm still developing the page so be kind!
https://www.ryanrotaryperformance.com/low-mount-turbo
Thought this would be of interest, I won't put a huge blurb here, I'd rather update it all in the website with any comments and questions you have, so please have a look and comment below:
This is work in progress and I'm still developing the page so be kind!
https://www.ryanrotaryperformance.com/low-mount-turbo
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
Looks like I better make sure I have some money set aside!
Kit looks really promising
In regards to DIY fitment
Will the kit come with a base tune? Or will that be additional cost?
Kit looks really promising
In regards to DIY fitment
Will the kit come with a base tune? Or will that be additional cost?
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
Out of interest Carl, will this support both R3 and S1?MadTaz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:39 amHey guys,
Thought this would be of interest, I won't put a huge blurb here, I'd rather update it all in the website with any comments and questions you have, so please have a look and comment below:
This is work in progress and I'm still developing the page so be kind!
https://www.ryanrotaryperformance.com/low-mount-turbo
I was excited at hearing your development of a kit sometime ago, only to be told (By a non RRP contact admittedly) that your development was for S1 only? Yet looking at your pics, unless I'm mistaken the intercooler fit car appears like an R3 bumper?
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
I think you're very naughty carl
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
If only my engine held on a little bit longer till this was available I would have got this done at the same time when I got the Bridgeport done by youse! Guess it'll be the next thing I'll be saving up for, kit looks great so far
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
Cheers for the support guys
I'll try and answer all the question thus far below:
Will the kit come with a Basemap?
OEM ECU Tuning:
Yes the DIY kit will come with a basemap to get you started, for Mazdaedit users you'll need to send in your ECU (unless you have mazdaedit) I we will apply it at our workshop. a note for Mazdaedit users, we will only be supporting spring pressure you guys which will be upto c14 PSI (I know the website says 11) this means at the manifold with a bit of pressure drop you'll see somewhere in the region on 11PSI.
Don't be put off by this, I know everyone shouts about boost pressure etc but it is largely irrelevant in terms of how much power the engine will make, it's all about the mass flow of air. in simple terms a smaller turbo boosting its head off producing a load of heat will produce less power than a larger turbo flowing more air at a lower pressure.
I would imagine spring pressure at these numbers to still be around 350HP
Haltec Tuning:
My preferred solution is the Haltec R3, and what an amazing piece of kit this is, I love it! This will be developed first and the OEM solution afterwards, for those purchasing the kit with Haltec ECU will get a very comprehensive basemap extracted from my own car. Tuning will be free upto spring pressure and then if you want to stretch the legs of the car I will offer tuning services at a price for this.
There are T&C's for free tuning, like you need to purchase the ECU through me and not secondhand on Ebay for example, sorry.
Support for S1 and R3?
We are keen to support everyone, the kit may need some minor tweaks for R3, so this will have to be a workshop fitment only (for the time being), tuning wise we can use Mazdaedit and we are working on a Haltec solution.
So yes, shouldn't be a problem.
Sorry about the nauty pictures too guys, I'll add in 18+ only sticker!
In all seriousness, this is really useful, so keep the comments coming and I'll wrap them up into the website so all can benefit.
I'll try and answer all the question thus far below:
Will the kit come with a Basemap?
OEM ECU Tuning:
Yes the DIY kit will come with a basemap to get you started, for Mazdaedit users you'll need to send in your ECU (unless you have mazdaedit) I we will apply it at our workshop. a note for Mazdaedit users, we will only be supporting spring pressure you guys which will be upto c14 PSI (I know the website says 11) this means at the manifold with a bit of pressure drop you'll see somewhere in the region on 11PSI.
Don't be put off by this, I know everyone shouts about boost pressure etc but it is largely irrelevant in terms of how much power the engine will make, it's all about the mass flow of air. in simple terms a smaller turbo boosting its head off producing a load of heat will produce less power than a larger turbo flowing more air at a lower pressure.
I would imagine spring pressure at these numbers to still be around 350HP
Haltec Tuning:
My preferred solution is the Haltec R3, and what an amazing piece of kit this is, I love it! This will be developed first and the OEM solution afterwards, for those purchasing the kit with Haltec ECU will get a very comprehensive basemap extracted from my own car. Tuning will be free upto spring pressure and then if you want to stretch the legs of the car I will offer tuning services at a price for this.
There are T&C's for free tuning, like you need to purchase the ECU through me and not secondhand on Ebay for example, sorry.
Support for S1 and R3?
We are keen to support everyone, the kit may need some minor tweaks for R3, so this will have to be a workshop fitment only (for the time being), tuning wise we can use Mazdaedit and we are working on a Haltec solution.
So yes, shouldn't be a problem.
Sorry about the nauty pictures too guys, I'll add in 18+ only sticker!
In all seriousness, this is really useful, so keep the comments coming and I'll wrap them up into the website so all can benefit.
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
Is there a rough ballpark figure expected for price?
With either OEM ecu or Haltech?
I have an R3, so fitting will probably need to be with you
With either OEM ecu or Haltech?
I have an R3, so fitting will probably need to be with you
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Re: RRP Turbo Kit Development
Oh how did I miss this!
The development ethos for this kit was not to be restricted to a particular budget, I've just done what I feel to be right for the car, which is why I have picked a rather nice turbo line up (you can choose most in the X2C range and most of them will fit and some of the smaller ones maybe better suited to those sticking with spring pressure.
How much is the kit?
The kit itself is likely to be £5500-£6000 if I can get enough economies of scale, I'll probably take a punt and get 20 kits made in the first batch to try and get costs as low as possible. The kit also may be slightly more expensive for those running mazdedit, we need to design and manufacture a decent set up for the MAF.
Tuning through Mazdaedit will be at a discounted price of £350
If you want the Haltec ECU, then it'll be £2000 for the ECU and about £900 for the custom plug and play harness but tuning to spring pressure will be free.
Fitting and other considerations
Fitting is quite a big job, the kit is not designed to be used with the battery in the OEM location (sorry), there were too many compromises surrounding this so I made the conscious decision to remove as many obstacles as possible to make this a neat install. This is one of the reasons why we held back on the turbo kit to bring out other supporting products like the battery relocation kit.
The other consideration is that you'll need to drain the oil from the turbo into the sump, so you'll either need a Greddy or RRP sump or a bung welded into your OEM.
Heat management is another consideration, as part of the kit we will not be offering heat shielding, we will however offer exhaust lagging, it's an expensive option at £500 but the best!
The kit install intself is also quite complex with oil hardlines, waterlines to the turbo and wastegate as well as deleting the air pump, I would say it's a two day workshop job for a complete install on a 100% OEM Car.
R3, add in that we need to modify your sump, which will need to be sent away for this.
In summary its pricey! (Sorry)
The development ethos for this kit was not to be restricted to a particular budget, I've just done what I feel to be right for the car, which is why I have picked a rather nice turbo line up (you can choose most in the X2C range and most of them will fit and some of the smaller ones maybe better suited to those sticking with spring pressure.
How much is the kit?
The kit itself is likely to be £5500-£6000 if I can get enough economies of scale, I'll probably take a punt and get 20 kits made in the first batch to try and get costs as low as possible. The kit also may be slightly more expensive for those running mazdedit, we need to design and manufacture a decent set up for the MAF.
Tuning through Mazdaedit will be at a discounted price of £350
If you want the Haltec ECU, then it'll be £2000 for the ECU and about £900 for the custom plug and play harness but tuning to spring pressure will be free.
Fitting and other considerations
Fitting is quite a big job, the kit is not designed to be used with the battery in the OEM location (sorry), there were too many compromises surrounding this so I made the conscious decision to remove as many obstacles as possible to make this a neat install. This is one of the reasons why we held back on the turbo kit to bring out other supporting products like the battery relocation kit.
The other consideration is that you'll need to drain the oil from the turbo into the sump, so you'll either need a Greddy or RRP sump or a bung welded into your OEM.
Heat management is another consideration, as part of the kit we will not be offering heat shielding, we will however offer exhaust lagging, it's an expensive option at £500 but the best!
The kit install intself is also quite complex with oil hardlines, waterlines to the turbo and wastegate as well as deleting the air pump, I would say it's a two day workshop job for a complete install on a 100% OEM Car.
R3, add in that we need to modify your sump, which will need to be sent away for this.
In summary its pricey! (Sorry)
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Having looked at the price of the turbo, that seems a very good price overall I must admit!
Will keep an eye out for further updates on it, but looks like a very promising kit!
Will keep an eye out for further updates on it, but looks like a very promising kit!
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Sorry Carl I am not very up to speed on turbo conversions, which other may not be aswell. Can you just clarify (in particular regarding R3) whether the Haltec and plug/play module is actually required at an additional 2.9k or whether you can map the oem ecu? This just seems alot of additional expense if the OEM computer can take a tune?
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It all depends on what you want to achieve and your appetite for risk, nothing wrong with the result you'll get from the OEM ECU, I personally wouldn't go beyond spring pressure, so you'll have 350HP as a rough guide from this set up.DrewR3 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:36 amSorry Carl I am not very up to speed on turbo conversions, which other may not be aswell. Can you just clarify (in particular regarding R3) whether the Haltec and plug/play module is actually required at an additional 2.9k or whether you can map the oem ecu? This just seems alot of additional expense if the OEM computer can take a tune?
The issue with the OEM is there are very few engine protection strategies if anything goes wrong or trim throws the tune out for some reason.
The Haltec on the other hand can deploy stages 1 -3 engine protection, limit boost, limit throttle and enter a richer state all to protect the engine should it detect any issue. You'll get a far better tune on the Haltec, the other benefit, is if you don't want me to personally tune and don't want to buy Mazdaedit, then it can be done remotely as the software is free along with the datalogger.
That's just the surface reasons, there is load of cool stuff the Haltec can do, you can even bin your fuse box and use the Haltec as the distribution centre.
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Thanks for that. I take it then if people wished to stagger the cost they could run the OEM unit and tune at a safe 350bhp, and then return at a later date to retrofit a Haltek unit and push the engine further?MadTaz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:47 pmIt all depends on what you want to achieve and your appetite for risk, nothing wrong with the result you'll get from the OEM ECU, I personally wouldn't go beyond spring pressure, so you'll have 350HP as a rough guide from this set up.DrewR3 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:36 amSorry Carl I am not very up to speed on turbo conversions, which other may not be aswell. Can you just clarify (in particular regarding R3) whether the Haltec and plug/play module is actually required at an additional 2.9k or whether you can map the oem ecu? This just seems alot of additional expense if the OEM computer can take a tune?
The issue with the OEM is there are very few engine protection strategies if anything goes wrong or trim throws the tune out for some reason.
The Haltec on the other hand can deploy stages 1 -3 engine protection, limit boost, limit throttle and enter a richer state all to protect the engine should it detect any issue. You'll get a far better tune on the Haltec, the other benefit, is if you don't want me to personally tune and don't want to buy Mazdaedit, then it can be done remotely as the software is free along with the datalogger.
That's just the surface reasons, there is load of cool stuff the Haltec can do, you can even bin your fuse box and use the Haltec as the distribution centre.
That would likely assist people with affordability, me included to have the physical set up and run on OEM, to then recover some money and come back 6 months later or a year for the Haltec upgrade....
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Yes there would reason why you can’t start with the OEM kit and then look to switch to a standalone unit later down the line.
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Oil and water now plumbed in, minor revisions to engine bracket and she’s all good!
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Had a look Thursday carl unbelievable restoration and all the new Stuff and developmentsMadTaz wrote:Oil and water now plumbed in, minor revisions to engine bracket and she’s all good!
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More than happy to drop the R3 round for winter if you want to experiment fitting to an R3.....its currently only about 15 miles away from you......as long as i can pick it up before you have time to take everything back off...
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Also happy to drop a 2nd R3 over just to confirm it fitsDrewR3 wrote:More than happy to drop the R3 round for winter if you want to experiment fitting to an R3.....its currently only about 15 miles away from you......as long as i can pick it up before you have time to take everything back off...
Only around 40 miles from you
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I suggest that all you R3 owners should not pile up at RRP premises as i will be test fitting one of those myself as soon as ready and let you all know how it went afterwards
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Very kind of you to test fit on my car. Top job silviuthatturborx8 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:24 pmI suggest that all you R3 owners should not pile up at RRP premises as i will be test fitting one of those myself as soon as ready and let you all know how it went afterwards
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Appreciate all the clarity you're giving on this Carl. Really impressive plan. Looking forward to seeing how the R3 route pans out.
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Thank you for all the comments and support on this project, it's nice to know that it is out there! I'm sorry to say that we actually have our own R3 which we will be using to confirm the kit, however if anything changes then I'll let you all know, plenty of kits will be available to go around
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Been a while since I updated on this project and it has taken it's time for sure, I suppose completing a full restoration and a turbo project will do that. Not too far away now from getting this running, in actual fact it's only the exhaust downpipe and a few little extras now to do.
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Hi Matt,
Thanks, this one is running a Haltec Nexus R3 ECU, you really need an aftermarket to run all the R&D neatly in one package.
We have plumbed in additional sensors such as:
- Fuel Temp and Press
- Oil Temp and Press
- EMAP & Exhaust Temp
- Intake Temp
You just couldn't do the first one with all these inputs and have a decent protection strategy hence the extra effort of going this route.
Hopefully in the future once the R&D is done we can move to OEM ECU, although Haltec would still be my preference.
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